Caught doing 120mph on the motorway

[LoonR1]

WinstonWolf said:

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

No one has said it's about times, they have said that luxo barges mask the speed from the occupants. BHP doesn't make for a *deceptively* quick car, high torque diesel does.

Oh FFS. Here we go again.

Be absolutely specific in your answers to the following questions. Then ask Amy more and I will answer them specifically

1. Do you believe your car can go from 80 to 120mph with minimal accelerator input?
2. Do you believe that when doing 120mph there is no way for you to tell that you are if you don't look at the the speedo?
3. Do you believe that it can go from 80 to 120 in the blink of an eye

These are all yes / no questions

Answer them as such then ask your questions afterwards.

They're not.

Yes, they are

[WinstonWolf]

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

No one has said it's about times, they have said that luxo barges mask the speed from the occupants. BHP doesn't make for a *deceptively* quick car, high torque diesel does.

Oh FFS. Here we go again.

Be absolutely specific in your answers to the following questions. Then ask Amy more and I will answer them specifically

1. Do you believe your car can go from 80 to 120mph with minimal accelerator input?
2. Do you believe that when doing 120mph there is no way for you to tell that you are if you don't look at the the speedo?
3. Do you believe that it can go from 80 to 120 in the blink of an eye

These are all yes / no questions

Answer them as such then ask your questions afterwards.

They're not.

Yes, they are

No, they are not.

You went out in revvy cars with hard suspension, of course they feel fast and you absolutely know you're pressing on.

70-120 MPH is circa 1500 RPM difference in an A8, it's double glazed and rides on air suspension. On a deserted unlit motorway at night you need to look at the instruments to know your speed, the vehicle *feels* slow.

[LoonR1]

WinstonWolf said:

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

No one has said it's about times, they have said that luxo barges mask the speed from the occupants. BHP doesn't make for a *deceptively* quick car, high torque diesel does.

Oh FFS. Here we go again.

Be absolutely specific in your answers to the following questions. Then ask Amy more and I will answer them specifically

1. Do you believe your car can go from 80 to 120mph with minimal accelerator input?
2. Do you believe that when doing 120mph there is no way for you to tell that you are if you don't look at the the speedo?
3. Do you believe that it can go from 80 to 120 in the blink of an eye

These are all yes / no questions

Answer them as such then ask your questions afterwards.

They're not.

Yes, they are

No, they are not.

You went out in revvy cars with hard suspension, of course they feel fast and you absolutely know you're pressing on.

70-120 MPH is circa 1500 RPM difference in an A8, it's double glazed and rides on air suspension. On a deserted unlit motorway at night you need to look at the instruments to know your speed, the vehicle *feels* slow.

So what?

You're suggesting that you can go through c40% of the Rev range without noticing? There are many, many signals outside a car of how fast you are travelling, maybe not to the nearest 10mph, but certainly to let you know you are c60% over the speed limit and 50% higher than you thought you were travelling at.

I'm sorry, but you will never convince me otherwise. There is simply no way you can accidentally add that pressure to your accelerator to get you to that speed, there is no way you could drift up to that speed over tens of miles by applying just a feathers extra weight.

You won't accept it, because you don't want to, but you are talking BS.

[DocJock]

70-120 is going to give your acceleration sense a pretty hefty nudge irrespective of how comfortable and quiet the car is.

Anyone claiming they didn't notice that kind of speed increase is a pretty crap driver.

[TheAllSeeingPie]

WinstonWolf said:

No one has said it's about times, they have said that luxo barges mask the speed from the occupants. BHP doesn't make for a *deceptively* quick car, high torque diesel does.

You definitely know if you're doing 70-120 in less than 7secs, there's no way to "blink and miss it either" which was the quote that started the whole debacle.

Edited by TheAllSeeingPie on Tuesday 7th July 21:37

[Alucidnation]

My god.

This place just keeps on giving.

[WinstonWolf]

TheAllSeeingPie said:

WinstonWolf said:

No one has said it's about times, they have said that luxo barges mask the speed from the occupants. BHP doesn't make for a *deceptively* quick car, high torque diesel does.

You definitely know if you're doing 70-120 in less than 7secs, there's no way to "blink and miss it either" which was the quote that started the whole debacle.

Edited by TheAllSeeingPie on Tuesday 7th July 21:37

That's never been my point. There are some cars in some circumstances where you can look down and think "fk me". Just because soe people haven't experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

[WinstonWolf]

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

No one has said it's about times, they have said that luxo barges mask the speed from the occupants. BHP doesn't make for a *deceptively* quick car, high torque diesel does.

Oh FFS. Here we go again.

Be absolutely specific in your answers to the following questions. Then ask Amy more and I will answer them specifically

1. Do you believe your car can go from 80 to 120mph with minimal accelerator input?
2. Do you believe that when doing 120mph there is no way for you to tell that you are if you don't look at the the speedo?
3. Do you believe that it can go from 80 to 120 in the blink of an eye

These are all yes / no questions

Answer them as such then ask your questions afterwards.

They're not.

Yes, they are

No, they are not.

You went out in revvy cars with hard suspension, of course they feel fast and you absolutely know you're pressing on.

70-120 MPH is circa 1500 RPM difference in an A8, it's double glazed and rides on air suspension. On a deserted unlit motorway at night you need to look at the instruments to know your speed, the vehicle *feels* slow.

So what?

You're suggesting that you can go through c40% of the Rev range without noticing? There are many, many signals outside a car of how fast you are travelling, maybe not to the nearest 10mph, but certainly to let you know you are c60% over the speed limit and 50% higher than you thought you were travelling at.

I'm sorry, but you will never convince me otherwise. There is simply no way you can accidentally add that pressure to your accelerator to get you to that speed, there is no way you could drift up to that speed over tens of miles by applying just a feathers extra weight.

You won't accept it, because you don't want to, but you are talking BS.

You won't accept it just because you haven't experienced it. One day you might then you'll realise you're wrong.

[LoonR1]

WinstonWolf said:

You won't accept it just because you haven't experienced it. One day you might then you'll realise you're wrong.

I had the use of an S8 back in 2007 for six months. I never once did that in a 5.0 V10 petrol exec saloon. It still took a conscious effort to get it to those speeds and it was still very bloody obvious that I was well over the speed limit.

[WinstonWolf]

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

You won't accept it just because you haven't experienced it. One day you might then you'll realise you're wrong.

I had the use of an S8 back in 2007 for six months. I never once did that in a 5.0 V10 petrol exec saloon. It still took a conscious effort to get it to those speeds and it was still very bloody obvious that I was well over the speed limit.

Ah, the revvy V10... It takes zero effort in the TD. Never heard the expression effortless used to describe a car?

[LoonR1]

WinstonWolf said:

Ah, the revvy V10... It takes zero effort in the TD. Never heard the expression effortless used to describe a car?

I give up. You're seriously saying that you can apply next to no pressure to your diesel powered A8 amd it'll just zoom up to 120mph amd take you by surprise.

Be serious.

[WinstonWolf]

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Ah, the revvy V10... It takes zero effort in the TD. Never heard the expression effortless used to describe a car?

I give up. You're seriously saying that you can apply next to no pressure to your diesel powered A8 amd it'll just zoom up to 120mph amd take you by surprise.

Be serious.

I've never said zoom, the rest is correct in the right circumstances.

[LoonR1]

WinstonWolf said:

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Ah, the revvy V10... It takes zero effort in the TD. Never heard the expression effortless used to describe a car?

I give up. You're seriously saying that you can apply next to no pressure to your diesel powered A8 amd it'll just zoom up to 120mph amd take you by surprise.

Be serious.

I've never said zoom, the rest is correct in the right circumstances.

Ok here it is required with the "zoom" removed, I've added "waft" as a way to describe it just meandering up to that speed, but you can change it to any word you like. You really want to stand by that comment?

LoonR1 said:

I give up. You're seriously saying that you can apply next to no pressure to your diesel powered A8 and it'll just zoom waft up to 120mph and take you by surprise.

Be serious.

[WinstonWolf]

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Ah, the revvy V10... It takes zero effort in the TD. Never heard the expression effortless used to describe a car?

I give up. You're seriously saying that you can apply next to no pressure to your diesel powered A8 amd it'll just zoom up to 120mph amd take you by surprise.

Be serious.

I've never said zoom, the rest is correct in the right circumstances.

Ok here it is required with the "zoom" removed, I've added "waft" as a way to describe it just meandering up to that speed, but you can change it to any word you like. You really want to stand by that comment?

LoonR1 said:

I give up. You're seriously saying that you can apply next to no pressure to your diesel powered A8 and it'll just zoom waft up to 120mph and take you by surprise.

Be serious.

I thought you were giving up?

Just stick to what I said instead of trying to make up other meanings. Not taken by surprise, surprised by how fast you are travelling. My 911 felt pretty quick at speed, my Griff feels bloody quick at 120, the A8 just doesn't.

[LoonR1]

WinstonWolf said:

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

LoonR1 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Ah, the revvy V10... It takes zero effort in the TD. Never heard the expression effortless used to describe a car?

I give up. You're seriously saying that you can apply next to no pressure to your diesel powered A8 amd it'll just zoom up to 120mph amd take you by surprise.

Be serious.

I've never said zoom, the rest is correct in the right circumstances.

Ok here it is required with the "zoom" removed, I've added "waft" as a way to describe it just meandering up to that speed, but you can change it to any word you like. You really want to stand by that comment?

LoonR1 said:

I give up. You're seriously saying that you can apply next to no pressure to your diesel powered A8 and it'll just zoom waft up to 120mph and take you by surprise.

Be serious.

I thought you were giving up?

Just stick to what I said instead of trying to make up other meanings. Not taken by surprise, surprised by how fast you are travelling. My 911 felt pretty quick at speed, my Griff feels bloody quick at 120, the A8 just doesn't.

It's just a turn of phrase.

If I've got this correct where we now are is that you can be surprised by how fast you're going. This has nothing at all to do with how fast you get there, whether you've consciously pressed the accelerator or not. It's just that you can be doing 120mph and then be surprised that you're doing that speed.

If that's the case it still doesn't say much that's positive about your driving ability / style.

I will leave it now as I can't see that you're going to accept that

[TheAllSeeingPie]

WinstonWolf said:

That's never been my point. There are some cars in some circumstances where you can look down and think "fk me". Just because soe people haven't experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

We know that, and I have never disputed that. I was simply pointing out that Loons argument was about these statements which are now proven to be untrue:

Durzel said:

Tom_C76 said:

What the hell are you driving that can get from 70 ish to 120 MPH in a fraction of a second?

My weekend car, the ThrustSSC.

Yeah, maybe "fraction of a second" was hyperbolic. Just meant as crimes go it can take only a few seconds, and feel completely victimless, to result in potentially huge problems in life.

Maybe if you bothered to realise people aren't talking about you for a second you'd get what we're on about?

It's quite easy to creep up to 100mph in a A8, S-class or Range Rover. My supercharged range rover was so quiet and effortless on the motorway I understand how if you didn't pay attention for a few mins you might creep up. However that's a probably worse admission than saying you'd not notice screaming up from 70-120 in 6-8 seconds.

Are you really that feckless with your throttle control and oblivious of other traffic that you could find yourself at 120? 70-100 I can understand, but you'd have to really not be paying any attention to go from 70-120 without noticing. At which point you're a liability and should really consider if you're safe on the road.

[Pete317]

TheAllSeeingPie said:

Are you really that feckless with your throttle control and oblivious of other traffic that you could find yourself at 120? 70-100 I can understand, but you'd have to really not be paying any attention to go from 70-120 without noticing. At which point you're a liability and should really consider if you're safe on the road.

A possible scenario: you're in a car with a quiet engine, and with music playing you can't really hear it at all.
You pull into L3 to pass what turns out to be quite a long line of traffic in L2. So in order to make progress past them you accelerate gently to add around 20mph to your speed.
But, while you're passing them, the vehicle at the head of the line moves over into L1 and the line of cars in L2 start gently accelerating up to 20mph faster.
You don't really notice they're accelerating, and you almost unconsciously press the pedal a bit harder to maintain your speed differential.
But then you see the 1-mile sign for your junction coming up, so you give just a little extra juice to pass the remaining few cars and get over to L1 in good time.
Just then you look down at your speedo to discover you're now doing around 50mph more than when you started your manoeuvre.

[Mike22233]

Pete317 said:

A possible scenario: you're in a car with a quiet engine, and with music playing you can't really hear it at all.
You pull into L3 to pass what turns out to be quite a long line of traffic in L2. So in order to make progress past them you accelerate gently to add around 20mph to your speed.
But, while you're passing them, the vehicle at the head of the line moves over into L1 and the line of cars in L2 start gently accelerating up to 20mph faster.
You don't really notice they're accelerating, and you almost unconsciously press the pedal a bit harder to maintain your speed differential.
But then you see the 1-mile sign for your junction coming up, so you give just a little extra juice to pass the remaining few cars and get over to L1 in good time.
Just then you look down at your speedo to discover you're now doing around 50mph more than when you started your manoeuvre.

What rubbish - I would always know when I'm exceeding the tonne mark as I consciously always make an effort never to exceed 94mph so I stay out of court if I am caught.

[gruffalo]

For this to happen and not notice you would need ear plugs and a blindfold.

If as a driver you do not gauge your speed by things you see outside you should not be on the road.
http://elevatingsound.com/the-top-30-quietest-cars...

Between 60 and 80 mph the noise level in an A8 more than doubles so to say that you would not realise the increase in speed is hard to understand.

Edited by gruffalo on Wednesday 8th July 08:35

[ZX10R NIN]

You'd know if you were doing 120 in an A8 because at 70ish there's hardly any tyre noise at 120 you can here it, plus even at night you be aware of the rate that you're passing the scenery.

I could understand a driver not noticing a 20mph increase but not a 50mph one.