Sirens at 11.30PM
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This from a FOI request to Surrey police in relation to use of sirens
Use of sirens during unsocial hours
While responding to an incident during these times, consideration must be given to the need to use sirens and their effect on the surrounding neighbourhood and community. It can not be acceptable to use sirens in the middle of the night in residential areas, unless there is a specific urgent need and the conditions at that time warrant there use. Blues lights should be more visible to other road users during the hours of darkness, giving an advantage over use during daylight hours, as such negating the need for the use of sirens at more unsocial times. If sirens are not used then any driving must be adjusted to take account of this and if necessary speed reduced and reaction time increased.
Use of sirens during unsocial hours
While responding to an incident during these times, consideration must be given to the need to use sirens and their effect on the surrounding neighbourhood and community. It can not be acceptable to use sirens in the middle of the night in residential areas, unless there is a specific urgent need and the conditions at that time warrant there use. Blues lights should be more visible to other road users during the hours of darkness, giving an advantage over use during daylight hours, as such negating the need for the use of sirens at more unsocial times. If sirens are not used then any driving must be adjusted to take account of this and if necessary speed reduced and reaction time increased.
jaf01uk said:
And there folks is the reason that burglary detections are on the decline, they tell the burglars they're coming, who mentioned common sense earlier? 
It would have no impact at all on detections which obviously have greater influences, but that's just common sense.
TheBear said:
The amount of Burglary reports where an offender is still on scene and where using a siren or not would be the difference to them running or staying is probably less than 1% of all reports.
It would have no impact at all on detections which obviously have greater influences, but that's just common sense.
Surely silent approach for a Burglary?It would have no impact at all on detections which obviously have greater influences, but that's just common sense.
Bigends said:
TheBear said:
The amount of Burglary reports where an offender is still on scene and where using a siren or not would be the difference to them running or staying is probably less than 1% of all reports.
It would have no impact at all on detections which obviously have greater influences, but that's just common sense.
Surely silent approach for a Burglary?It would have no impact at all on detections which obviously have greater influences, but that's just common sense.
Surely you realise that?
Greendubber said:
Down to the driver to decide.
Harder to justify someone being knocked down and ending dead so a baddy didn't run off who in reality in the time the incident gets to the Bobby's is on his toes anyway
Exactly - silent approach if you want some chance of catching them - adjust speeds accordingly - if theyre likely to have legged it anyway then its not worth risking yours - or anothers life is itHarder to justify someone being knocked down and ending dead so a baddy didn't run off who in reality in the time the incident gets to the Bobby's is on his toes anyway
Standard response drivers are now taught on initial courses that ALL emergency equipment should be used when responding to "grade1" jobs regardless of time/road conditions etc
It is sadly part of the health and safety culture/blame claim etc and forces are covering their backs. With black boxes etc fitted to vehicles you cannot blame young bobbies sticking rigidly to the rules
Who wants to be gripping the rail if you are involved in a collision without ALL your emergency equipment on whilst responding ?
My force even limits response drivers to 20 mph over posted limit whilst on response runs and takes sanctions against officers breaking speed limits when not on response runs internally by auditing the black box data
Advanced drivers are still given the benefit of their training/experience however
It is sadly part of the health and safety culture/blame claim etc and forces are covering their backs. With black boxes etc fitted to vehicles you cannot blame young bobbies sticking rigidly to the rules
Who wants to be gripping the rail if you are involved in a collision without ALL your emergency equipment on whilst responding ?
My force even limits response drivers to 20 mph over posted limit whilst on response runs and takes sanctions against officers breaking speed limits when not on response runs internally by auditing the black box data
Advanced drivers are still given the benefit of their training/experience however
Bigends said:
It can not be acceptable to use sirens in the middle of the night in residential areas
Without knowing exactly where the OP lives, this is difficult to call.He says he lives in a road off a main road - the main road may well be a dual carriageway in which case it's not exactly a residential area.
hippy82 said:
The only way it can be stopped is if all crime stops. Police don't blue light for fun you know.
I know a guy who was once in the plod. I have it from him that they would stick on the old blues and twos to cut through heavy traffic to get back to the station for their dinner.velocefica said:
I know a guy who was once in the plod. I have it from him that they would stick on the old blues and twos to cut through heavy traffic to get back to the station for their dinner.
Was this in 1970? 
Everything on emergency vehicles is logged now, and (certainly for ambulance) can be followed in real time from the control room.
People just wouldn't put lights on to "get back for their dinner" and risk career/pension/prosecution.
Also, I used to live in the city and slept through sirens all night long, it was the youths shouting and kicking bins over etc that kept me up! Spent half the night checking on the car.
Then again, I have slept through a full on 20minute fire alarm in a hotel before, even with banging on my door and everything. I might be a bit of a deeper sleeper than the majority of people!
Then again, I have slept through a full on 20minute fire alarm in a hotel before, even with banging on my door and everything. I might be a bit of a deeper sleeper than the majority of people!
Pray you never move to the USA OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QllQ6TtmXII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxoM9iYweiQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QllQ6TtmXII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxoM9iYweiQ
Nickyboy said:
Pray you never move to the USA OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QllQ6TtmXII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxoM9iYweiQ
See, I disagree with using sirens all the time. It's a bit like having 20 zones everywhere: people become immune to them and so ignore them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QllQ6TtmXII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxoM9iYweiQ
Sirens (like 20 zones) should only be used sparingly then they'll have the desired effect.
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