3 points - £100 - Harsh Acceleration
Discussion
HantsRat said:
Because there really is no need to wheel spin off from a green light. It demonstrates incompetence, impatience and aggressiveness which are all charging points for this offence to be met.
If you can't pull away safely maintaining traction on the road you deserve this ticket. If you want to wheel spin off and accelerate as hard as you can then go on a track day but not on the public roads.
To be fair from all the posts here you have given a different angle to look at it with regards to aggressive etc. I'll see what he says when I pass it on.If you can't pull away safely maintaining traction on the road you deserve this ticket. If you want to wheel spin off and accelerate as hard as you can then go on a track day but not on the public roads.
Cheers.
lbc said:
ORD said:
I would certainly not accept a ticket just for moving off quickly.
I assume it is the wheelspin that results in the ticket. But what if the car has sophisticated ESC systems and there is no risk of losing control?
The noise created at 2am in the morning would have been inconsiderate, not just a wheel spin factor. I assume it is the wheelspin that results in the ticket. But what if the car has sophisticated ESC systems and there is no risk of losing control?
AGK said:
To be fair from all the posts here you have given a different angle to look at it with regards to aggressive etc. I'll see what he says when I pass it on.
Cheers.
To be frank, I'm not sure what you're gaining from this. Either your mate was being a bit of a twunt, and accelerated harshly and caused a bit of a nuisance, or he accelerated in a sensible manner. If the latter, and your mate fancies his chances of basically disproving/discrediting the officers in court, then go for it Cheers.
I'm not aware of any PHers doing so for this offence, but JustinP1 took the pants down of a couple of officers who couldn't see a red light which he was alleged to have run.
simoid said:
What's the question? Are you looking for someone to say your friend will be found not guilty...? Difficult to do that knowing very little about the situation.
Just interested if anyone else has had it before and if they took it or contested it.It's the CD10 that's going to be a pain more than anything. Assuming it'll be a CD10.
HantsRat said:
ORD said:
Assuming no danger results (i.e. no risk of losing control), why on Earth would you get involved just because someone pulls off sharply?
I would certainly not accept a ticket just for moving off quickly.
I assume it is the wheelspin that results in the ticket. But what if the car has sophisticated ESC systems and there is no risk of losing control?
Because there really is no need to wheel spin off from a green light. It demonstrates incompetence, impatience and aggressiveness which are all charging points for this offence to be met. I would certainly not accept a ticket just for moving off quickly.
I assume it is the wheelspin that results in the ticket. But what if the car has sophisticated ESC systems and there is no risk of losing control?
If you can't pull away safely maintaining traction on the road you deserve this ticket. If you want to wheel spin off and accelerate as hard as you can then go on a track day but not on the public roads.
HantsRat said:
From looking at Google, that code relates to 'Careless and Inconsiderate driving'
From CPS :
"This offence is appropriate when the driving amounts to a clear act of incompetence, selfishness, impatience or aggressiveness in addition to some other inconvenience to road users . The following examples are typical of actions likely to be regarded as inconsiderate driving:"
I would say harsh acceleration demonstrates both impatience and aggression especially on the public road.
Feel free to contest the ticket if you like but I don't think it would go very far. The 2 officers would simply say in court what happened and how it was inappropriate and aggressive in the circumstances.
The prosecuting authority must prove another driver was inconvenienced. I've highlighted the important bit for you.From CPS :
"This offence is appropriate when the driving amounts to a clear act of incompetence, selfishness, impatience or aggressiveness in addition to some other inconvenience to road users . The following examples are typical of actions likely to be regarded as inconsiderate driving:"
I would say harsh acceleration demonstrates both impatience and aggression especially on the public road.
Feel free to contest the ticket if you like but I don't think it would go very far. The 2 officers would simply say in court what happened and how it was inappropriate and aggressive in the circumstances.
Otherwise, was it "driving without due care and attention?" Debatable.
My advice, subject to cost and sentence implications, would be to take it to court.
Edited by agtlaw on Monday 6th July 12:21
AGK said:
ORD said:
The "in the circumstances" part is essential. If your friend just ripped up from 30 to 60 at an NSL sign with nobody in front of him, that could not possibly be an offence.
If we come to a time when using the loud pedal is an offence, I will hang up my driving gloves (although I don't actually have any, so would need to borrow some).
Picked friend up from town. Evo 6 RS so not exactly quiet. Road in question has a large speed bump in the middle...If we come to a time when using the loud pedal is an offence, I will hang up my driving gloves (although I don't actually have any, so would need to borrow some).
agtlaw said:
The prosecuting authority must prove another driver was inconvenienced. I've highlighted the important bit for you.
Otherwise, was it "driving without due care and attention?" Debatable.
My advice would be to take it to court.
Sorry, might have missed this: how do you know another driver wasn't inconvenienced?Otherwise, was it "driving without due care and attention?" Debatable.
My advice would be to take it to court.
Edited by agtlaw on Monday 6th July 12:19
Wheel spinning (Driving with no traction) is inconvenient to other road users due to an increased danger the vehicle may lose control and collide with them or worse... A pedestrian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytTSxKqG_no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytTSxKqG_no
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