3 points - £100 - Harsh Acceleration

3 points - £100 - Harsh Acceleration

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LocoCoco

1,428 posts

175 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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HantsRat said:
Feel free to wheel spin off everywhere. Just don't do it in front of a police officer smile
Deal!

agtlaw

6,680 posts

205 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Cat said:
Not quite - the law requires that a person using the road or public place was inconvenienced not necessarily another driver.

Cat
Fair point. The inconvenienced person could be a motorbike rider, cylist, etc, etc. The key thing is it must be an actual road user, not a notional road user.

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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agtlaw said:
By harsh acceleration? Has that ever inconvenienced another driver? FFS.
If a driver A was beginning a manouevre and had to abort because driver B accelerated harshly from behind (matron), would that count as an inconvenience?

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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HantsRat said:
Wheel spinning (Driving with no traction) is inconvenient to other road users due to an increased danger the vehicle may lose control and collide with them or worse... A pedestrian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytTSxKqG_no
So is chasing through a housing estate in an unmarked car with no hands on the steering wheel, as seen on TV.

But this is fine and dandy and definitely not against the law. Funny old world, isn't it?

ging84

8,828 posts

145 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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simoid said:
If a driver A was beginning a manouevre and had to abort because driver B accelerated harshly from behind (matron), would that count as an inconvenience?
sounds more like an aggressive overtake and is somewhat different to simply harsh acceleration

AGK

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1,601 posts

154 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Driver101 said:
Did this incident with "your friend" involve a Golf R doing a launch start then exceeding the speed limit, although the officers couldn't prove the speed?
No.

Hol

8,359 posts

199 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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AGK said:
Driver101 said:
Did this incident with "your friend" involve a Golf R doing a launch start then exceeding the speed limit, although the officers couldn't prove the speed?
No.
Yup, he said on page one it was an Evo6 RS.

AGK said:
Picked friend up from town. Evo 6 RS so not exactly quiet. Road in question has a large speed bump in the middle...
So, I don't think it will be about wheel spin as the 6RS is AWD and has plated LSD's on both driven axles. The only way you will get easy wheel spin on the road is to stick it on full lock, dump the clutch and donut it.
I thinks it is more likely the fact that it was just accelerating hard to the bump and hard again afterwards.


matchmaker

8,463 posts

199 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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lbc said:
Maybe the fact it was 2am contributed to the offence if it was in a built up area?
AGK said:
It's not me. I was pulled for the same ste approx 3 hours earlier but no ticket was issued.
AGK said:
simoid said:
Was this by any chance at a large gathering of cars on a promenade or equivalent?
No I was on my way home from getting some things for dinner at the shops.
You went to the shops at 11pm to buy stuff for dinner? scratchchin





Edited by matchmaker on Monday 6th July 13:43

MrBarry123

6,025 posts

120 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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HantsRat said:
ORD said:
Assuming no danger results (i.e. no risk of losing control), why on Earth would you get involved just because someone pulls off sharply?

I would certainly not accept a ticket just for moving off quickly.

I assume it is the wheelspin that results in the ticket. But what if the car has sophisticated ESC systems and there is no risk of losing control?
Because there really is no need to wheel spin off from a green light. It demonstrates incompetence, impatience and aggressiveness which are all charging points for this offence to be met.

If you can't pull away safely maintaining traction on the road you deserve this ticket. If you want to wheel spin off and accelerate as hard as you can then go on a track day but not on the public roads.


Absolutely - not to mention the unnecessary wear on the gearbox! frown

V8LM

5,166 posts

208 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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agtlaw said:
Cat said:
Not quite - the law requires that a person using the road or public place was inconvenienced not necessarily another driver.

Cat
Fair point. The inconvenienced person could be a motorbike rider, cylist, etc, etc. The key thing is it must be an actual road user, not a notional road user.
Maybe the two police officers that stopped the chap were inconvenienced by all the paperwork that would follow.


otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Does sound a bit like the offence of being a young chap cocking about in a flashy car at 2am and not having provided sufficient grounds to be charged with anything else.

Forever Alone

8,842 posts

186 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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matchmaker said:
You went to the shops at 11pm to buy stuff for dinner? scratchchin





Edited by matchmaker on Monday 6th July 13:43
Exactly what I was just questioning.

Terminator X

14,921 posts

203 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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2am?! Very dangerous time of the day for "harsh acceleration" rofl

TX.

james7

594 posts

254 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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HantsRat said:
I would say harsh acceleration demonstrates both impatience and aggression especially on the public road.
Thats just stupid rolleyes

Please give the exact definition of "harsh" and its precise measurement and your way of calculating it.

Also how does it vary from car to car?
Is it the same in a milkfloat and a Ferrari?


aw51 121565

4,771 posts

232 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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HantsRat said:
Wheel spinning (Driving with no traction) is inconvenient to other road users due to an increased danger the vehicle may lose control and collide with them or worse... A pedestrian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytTSxKqG_no
Is this a notional pedestrian or other road users?

agtlaw said:
The inconvenienced person could be a motorbike rider, cylist, etc, etc. The key thing is it must be an actual road user, not a notional road user.
scratchchin

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

232 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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otolith said:
Does sound a bit like the offence of being a young chap cocking about in a flashy car at 2am and not having provided sufficient grounds to be charged with anything else.
Likely 100% this if for the word 'grounds' we insert 'evidence'.

Chances are I would be very tempted to take this to court if it were me because I can afford to and would be happy standing there without representation. The biggest problem is that you are effectively suggesting that the two Police officers are either lying or incompetent. Now whilst either of those options are quite possible the Court (certainly in E&W) has a bit of an issue with people who suggest, without 100% gold standard proof, that this is the case.

In this instance, absent a dash camera, it is purely one word against the other.

Who will the court side with 9/10 - the Police Officers or the lad in a hot motor at 2am?


LocoCoco

1,428 posts

175 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Rude-boy said:


In this instance, absent a dash camera, it is purely one word against the other.

Who will the court side with 9/10 - the Police Officers or the lad in a hot motor at 2am?
Bang on.

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

232 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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HantsRat said:
From looking at Google, that code relates to 'Careless and Inconsiderate driving'

From CPS :

"This offence is appropriate when the driving amounts to a clear act of incompetence, selfishness, impatience or aggressiveness in addition to some other inconvenience to road users. The following examples are typical of actions likely to be regarded as inconsiderate driving:"

I would say harsh acceleration demonstrates both impatience and aggression especially on the public road.

Feel free to contest the ticket if you like but I don't think it would go very far. The 2 officers would simply say in court what happened and how it was inappropriate and aggressive in the circumstances.
Firstly many thanks for your time and input on this Forum. I have seen your username about quite a bit in the last few months and, whilst I am not always in agreement with what you have to say, it is great to have another helpful officer to give people a better idea of how the Police see/deal with many issues.

I would be interested though to learn why it is 'aggressive', or indeed 'impatient' if you happen to spin your wheels when accelerating. I have to say that I can't ever recall spinning my wheels as a result of any form of aggression, and certainly it's not due to impatience as it isn't the fasted way to get off the line!


Toltec

7,159 posts

222 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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james7 said:
Thats just stupid rolleyes

Please give the exact definition of "harsh" and its precise measurement and your way of calculating it.

Also how does it vary from car to car?
Is it the same in a milkfloat and a Ferrari?
If there was as measurement it would be, for example, in dBa above ambient cabin level. Something that can be easily measured, without actually being directly relevant, similar to safety and mph.

Somewhat tongue in cheek...

madbadger

11,555 posts

243 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Sounds like it is the speedhump causing the inconvenience.