3 points - £100 - Harsh Acceleration
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shambolic said:
Article in full.
MOTORISTS caught driving at just over the speed limit are to be targeted in a new police crackdown.
Police Scotland has secured legal powers to issue formal warnings to drivers who are clocked at just a few mph over the limit.
Traditionally, those drivers would not face any action because police only ticket speeders who are 10 per cent plus 2mph above the formal speed limit.
The police warnings are part of a drive by Chief Constable Steven House to make road deaths a top three priority for the force along with violence and anti-social behaviour.
Traffic officers will start to issue the warnings - which will not result in a conviction, fine or penalty points - later this year under a six-month pilot scheme with a clear focus on accident blackspots.
Senior officers believe early use of formal warnings for drivers who are just over the legal limit could be more effective than existing informal warnings.
Although traffic officers will still have discretion to adopt the disposal they see as most fitting, a driver who already has a formal warning on his record would be more likely to be fined than one who did not.
Chief Superintendent Iain Murray, head of road policing at Police Scotland, said: "We have an agreement to run a pilot of adult formal warnings, which starts in the autumn.You will get a warning that you are committing an offence.
yep saw this, now i will make sure i drive a lot over the limit. do not want to be one of those targeted for just breaking it MOTORISTS caught driving at just over the speed limit are to be targeted in a new police crackdown.
Police Scotland has secured legal powers to issue formal warnings to drivers who are clocked at just a few mph over the limit.
Traditionally, those drivers would not face any action because police only ticket speeders who are 10 per cent plus 2mph above the formal speed limit.
The police warnings are part of a drive by Chief Constable Steven House to make road deaths a top three priority for the force along with violence and anti-social behaviour.
Traffic officers will start to issue the warnings - which will not result in a conviction, fine or penalty points - later this year under a six-month pilot scheme with a clear focus on accident blackspots.
Senior officers believe early use of formal warnings for drivers who are just over the legal limit could be more effective than existing informal warnings.
Although traffic officers will still have discretion to adopt the disposal they see as most fitting, a driver who already has a formal warning on his record would be more likely to be fined than one who did not.
Chief Superintendent Iain Murray, head of road policing at Police Scotland, said: "We have an agreement to run a pilot of adult formal warnings, which starts in the autumn.You will get a warning that you are committing an offence.
4rephill said:
simoid said:
So... full story, OP. Any other road users around? If not: no inconvenience; no breach of law?
If there were no other road users around, how did the police see the offence? 
Maybe ops friend failed the attitude test after being caught. Ive been caught doing a few stupid things one was doing about 90mph late for work no excuse in the rain went past a unmarked vito van and got pulled at the end of the bypass.
Stern talking to and apologised for my actions didn't act like a cock just accepted my fate and waited for a ticket and a few points at the end of it I was let off with a if I catch you again you will get points I slowed down after that.
Year before that coming off a roundabout in the wet at 11pm at night in my mx5 came of it sideways nothing ken block style but still and yes copper was coming the other way thought I was in for points but got let of mainly for my attitude.
From what I can gather and with talking to others around similar things police look for the attitude test if you don't act like a cock they tend to let you off.
Both times I accepted to take the fine and points at the end of the day its a road not a race track and you shouldn't be doing them sort of things on the road. Since ive got my track car going this year the need for cocking about on the road has stopped I find it boring now.
Stern talking to and apologised for my actions didn't act like a cock just accepted my fate and waited for a ticket and a few points at the end of it I was let off with a if I catch you again you will get points I slowed down after that.
Year before that coming off a roundabout in the wet at 11pm at night in my mx5 came of it sideways nothing ken block style but still and yes copper was coming the other way thought I was in for points but got let of mainly for my attitude.
From what I can gather and with talking to others around similar things police look for the attitude test if you don't act like a cock they tend to let you off.
Both times I accepted to take the fine and points at the end of the day its a road not a race track and you shouldn't be doing them sort of things on the road. Since ive got my track car going this year the need for cocking about on the road has stopped I find it boring now.
red997 said:
interesting...
many (13 ish) years ago I was pulled by the BiB for accelerating hard away from a set of traffic lights in Keighley town centre, on xmas eve.
Not an Evo, but an E30 325.
Accelerating hard to get away from Keighley would surely pass any sort of reasonableness test.many (13 ish) years ago I was pulled by the BiB for accelerating hard away from a set of traffic lights in Keighley town centre, on xmas eve.
Not an Evo, but an E30 325.
lbc said:
4rephill said:
simoid said:
So... full story, OP. Any other road users around? If not: no inconvenience; no breach of law?
If there were no other road users around, how did the police see the offence? I'm glad that law doesn't exist in the same way in England. I imagine if the loud noise did annoy local residents you'd receive a S59, and if another S59 was given (which covers a multitude of generally nuisance activities) then the car would be towed.
Which to me at least, seems much more sensible and proportionate way to handle a driver accelerating harshly.
HantsRat said:
ORD said:
Assuming no danger results (i.e. no risk of losing control), why on Earth would you get involved just because someone pulls off sharply?
I would certainly not accept a ticket just for moving off quickly.
I assume it is the wheelspin that results in the ticket. But what if the car has sophisticated ESC systems and there is no risk of losing control?
Because there really is no need to wheel spin off from a green light. It demonstrates incompetence, impatience and aggressiveness which are all charging points for this offence to be met. I would certainly not accept a ticket just for moving off quickly.
I assume it is the wheelspin that results in the ticket. But what if the car has sophisticated ESC systems and there is no risk of losing control?
If you can't pull away safely maintaining traction on the road you deserve this ticket. If you want to wheel spin off and accelerate as hard as you can then go on a track day but not on the public roads.
a) causes no harm
b) the Police are not going to pay for people to do this on a race track, something not everyone can afford
c) would seem highly subjective and applied randomly....
e.g.
How many Top Gear or similar car reviews and road test have cars wheel spinning or sliding about on open public roads. And with video evidence, but they don't seem to get prosecuted.
HantsRat said:
Wheel spinning (Driving with no traction) is inconvenient to other road users due to an increased danger the vehicle may lose control and collide with them or worse... A pedestrian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytTSxKqG_no
Wheelspin does not mean no traction. Also wheelspinning an Evo6 is probably unlikely unless you are really really determined.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytTSxKqG_no
300bhp/ton said:
However it:
a) causes no harm
b) the Police are not going to pay for people to do this on a race track, something not everyone can afford
c) would seem highly subjective and applied randomly....
e.g.
How many Top Gear or similar car reviews and road test have cars wheel spinning or sliding about on open public roads. And with video evidence, but they don't seem to get prosecuted.
Top Gear do it on closed roads. a) causes no harm
b) the Police are not going to pay for people to do this on a race track, something not everyone can afford
c) would seem highly subjective and applied randomly....
e.g.
How many Top Gear or similar car reviews and road test have cars wheel spinning or sliding about on open public roads. And with video evidence, but they don't seem to get prosecuted.
Ki3r said:
300bhp/ton said:
However it:
a) causes no harm
b) the Police are not going to pay for people to do this on a race track, something not everyone can afford
c) would seem highly subjective and applied randomly....
e.g.
How many Top Gear or similar car reviews and road test have cars wheel spinning or sliding about on open public roads. And with video evidence, but they don't seem to get prosecuted.
Top Gear do it on closed roads. a) causes no harm
b) the Police are not going to pay for people to do this on a race track, something not everyone can afford
c) would seem highly subjective and applied randomly....
e.g.
How many Top Gear or similar car reviews and road test have cars wheel spinning or sliding about on open public roads. And with video evidence, but they don't seem to get prosecuted.
Mr Classic said:
Ki3r said:
300bhp/ton said:
However it:
a) causes no harm
b) the Police are not going to pay for people to do this on a race track, something not everyone can afford
c) would seem highly subjective and applied randomly....
e.g.
How many Top Gear or similar car reviews and road test have cars wheel spinning or sliding about on open public roads. And with video evidence, but they don't seem to get prosecuted.
Top Gear do it on closed roads. a) causes no harm
b) the Police are not going to pay for people to do this on a race track, something not everyone can afford
c) would seem highly subjective and applied randomly....
e.g.
How many Top Gear or similar car reviews and road test have cars wheel spinning or sliding about on open public roads. And with video evidence, but they don't seem to get prosecuted.
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