3 points - £100 - Harsh Acceleration

3 points - £100 - Harsh Acceleration

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AGK

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155 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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A friend was stopped by two officers (non traffic) on Friday night. He was issued a FPN for 3 point and a £100 fine for "accelerate harshly" offence code 300002.

Anyone ever experienced this ticket before? Worth fighting?

Ticket from Police Scotland.



HantsRat

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108 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Is that the exact offence? Are you sure it's not something such as 'Careless & Inconsiderate driving'?

Whether the officers were traffic or not is irrelevant.

Edited by HantsRat on Monday 6th July 10:47

AGK

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Monday 6th July 2015
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HantsRat said:
Is that the exact offence? Are you sure it's not something such as 'Careless & Inconsiderate driving'?
This is the ticket.


HantsRat

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108 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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From looking at Google, that code relates to 'Careless and Inconsiderate driving'

From CPS :

"This offence is appropriate when the driving amounts to a clear act of incompetence, selfishness, impatience or aggressiveness in addition to some other inconvenience to road users. The following examples are typical of actions likely to be regarded as inconsiderate driving:"

I would say harsh acceleration demonstrates both impatience and aggression especially on the public road.

Feel free to contest the ticket if you like but I don't think it would go very far. The 2 officers would simply say in court what happened and how it was inappropriate and aggressive in the circumstances.

AGK

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Monday 6th July 2015
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Cheers for your input.

ORD

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Monday 6th July 2015
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The "in the circumstances" part is essential. If your friend just ripped up from 30 to 60 at an NSL sign with nobody in front of him, that could not possibly be an offence.

If we come to a time when using the loud pedal is an offence, I will hang up my driving gloves (although I don't actually have any, so would need to borrow some).

TooMany2cvs

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126 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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AGK said:
This is the ticket.
Quick google finds 300/002 referenced as Careless Driving, which doesn't seem inappropriate.

Usual FPN rules apply. "Your friend" can admit his guilt and pay the FP, or he can refuse it and go to court and argue the case in front of a magistrate.

Go on, be honest. What was "he" doing...?

lbc

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217 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Maybe the fact it was 2am contributed to the offence if it was in a built up area?

Jasandjules

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Monday 6th July 2015
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Did he floor it with wheelspin etc?

HantsRat

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108 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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I've issued a few of these. It's usually issued to those who are at a red light, then floor it while wheel spinning when the light goes green.

I very much doubt this was issued just for going up to 60 from a 30.

AGK

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Monday 6th July 2015
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ORD said:
The "in the circumstances" part is essential. If your friend just ripped up from 30 to 60 at an NSL sign with nobody in front of him, that could not possibly be an offence.

If we come to a time when using the loud pedal is an offence, I will hang up my driving gloves (although I don't actually have any, so would need to borrow some).
Picked friend up from town. Evo 6 RS so not exactly quiet. Road in question has a large speed bump in the middle...

ORD

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Monday 6th July 2015
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HantsRat said:
I've issued a few of these. It's usually issued to those who are at a red light, then floor it while wheel spinning when the light goes green.

I very much doubt this was issued just for going up to 60 from a 30.
Assuming no danger results (i.e. no risk of losing control), why on Earth would you get involved just because someone pulls off sharply?

I would certainly not accept a ticket just for moving off quickly.

I assume it is the wheelspin that results in the ticket. But what if the car has sophisticated ESC systems and there is no risk of losing control?

TooMany2cvs

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Monday 6th July 2015
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ORD said:
I would certainly not accept a ticket just for moving off quickly.
So you would take this ticket to court?

AGK

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TooMany2cvs said:
Quick google finds 300/002 referenced as Careless Driving, which doesn't seem inappropriate.

Usual FPN rules apply. "Your friend" can admit his guilt and pay the FP, or he can refuse it and go to court and argue the case in front of a magistrate.

Go on, be honest. What was "he" doing...?
It's not me. I was pulled for the same ste approx 3 hours earlier but no ticket was issued.

lbc

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217 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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ORD said:
I would certainly not accept a ticket just for moving off quickly.

I assume it is the wheelspin that results in the ticket. But what if the car has sophisticated ESC systems and there is no risk of losing control?
The noise created at 2am in the morning would have been inconsiderate, not just a wheel spin factor.

simoid

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158 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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What's the question? Are you looking for someone to say your friend will be found not guilty...? Difficult to do that knowing very little about the situation.

simoid

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Monday 6th July 2015
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AGK said:
It's not me. I was pulled for the same ste approx 3 hours earlier but no ticket was issued.
Was this by any chance at a large gathering of cars on a promenade or equivalent?

HantsRat

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Monday 6th July 2015
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ORD said:
Assuming no danger results (i.e. no risk of losing control), why on Earth would you get involved just because someone pulls off sharply?

I would certainly not accept a ticket just for moving off quickly.

I assume it is the wheelspin that results in the ticket. But what if the car has sophisticated ESC systems and there is no risk of losing control?
Because there really is no need to wheel spin off from a green light. It demonstrates incompetence, impatience and aggressiveness which are all charging points for this offence to be met.

If you can't pull away safely maintaining traction on the road you deserve this ticket. If you want to wheel spin off and accelerate as hard as you can then go on a track day but not on the public roads.


ORD

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Monday 6th July 2015
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lbc said:
The noise created at 2am in the morning would have been inconsiderate, not just a wheel spin factor.
Good point.

I should say that the little we know of the facts does scream "Behaving like a tit"!

AGK

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Monday 6th July 2015
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simoid said:
Was this by any chance at a large gathering of cars on a promenade or equivalent?
No I was on my way home from getting some things for dinner at the shops.