Article in the Scotsman newspaper.

[supermono]

The comical part is if he drives speeding convictions up massively and maybe speeds down a little, when the casualty numbers are unaffected he'll decree that even more clampdown is necessary. Quite how these halfwits get to run anything never mind something important amazes me. Suppose the disease of the public sector

[Rude-boy]

JumboBeef said:

La Liga said:

glasgowrob said:

target speeders for being a couple of mph over ignore scrote gangs of thieves because they ride around without helmets on

I'm sure you and everyone else on here will be campaigning outside the court when the officers are on trial for death by dangerous driving when they pursuit a bike and the rider falls off and dies.

It's not a choice, or them "ignoring" it, it's a assessment as to the legal risks officers face if they pursuit someone on a bike.

Police want you to stop. You don't. You try to escape. You fall and kill yourself. Your fault.

Why can't we have common sense rules like that?

I can think of almost all of the fluffy bunny reasons that can be given.

I still don't actually care deep down, if you are not only trying to run from the Police but are also stupid enough to remove the one thing that might stop what little brains you have from being dashed all over the shop you get what you deserve.

[esxste]

supermono said:

The comical part is if he drives speeding convictions up massively and maybe speeds down a little, when the casualty numbers are unaffected he'll decree that even more clampdown is necessary. Quite how these halfwits get to run anything never mind something important amazes me. Suppose the disease of the public sector

Oh come now. As if the private sector doesn't have it's fill of halfwits. Being effective at your job is often secondary to other talents when it comes to being 'successful'.

[esxste]

Rude-boy said:

I can think of almost all of the fluffy bunny reasons that can be given.

I still don't actually care deep down, if you are not only trying to run from the Police but are also stupid enough to remove the one thing that might stop what little brains you have from being dashed all over the shop you get what you deserve.

The legal risk isn't just about injury to the perp, its also about injury to innocent bystanders.

[anonymous-user]

JumboBeef said:

La Liga said:

glasgowrob said:

target speeders for being a couple of mph over ignore scrote gangs of thieves because they ride around without helmets on

I'm sure you and everyone else on here will be campaigning outside the court when the officers are on trial for death by dangerous driving when they pursuit a bike and the rider falls off and dies.

It's not a choice, or them "ignoring" it, it's a assessment as to the legal risks officers face if they pursuit someone on a bike.

Police want you to stop. You don't. You try to escape. You fall and kill yourself. Your fault.

Why can't we have common sense rules like that?

I don't disagree with you, it's the suggestion the article presents it as 'the police couldn't be bothered'.

Article 2 of the Human Rights Act protects the 'right to life' and if there's a good chance the state may interfere with this right, then it must be proportional in order to do so. That proportionality threshold can be met with people on bikes, but it must be high as they'd likely be 'causing' them at least serious injury.

The second aspect is you shouldn't be pursuing people unless you can stop / resolve it i.e. have some tactics. There aren't really any ways to stop bikes other than making contact / waiting for them to fall off. This isn't really suitable. I understand the issue is being looked at nationally.

esxste said:

supermono said:

The comical part is if he drives speeding convictions up massively and maybe speeds down a little, when the casualty numbers are unaffected he'll decree that even more clampdown is necessary. Quite how these halfwits get to run anything never mind something important amazes me. Suppose the disease of the public sector

Oh come now. As if the private sector doesn't have it's fill of halfwits. Being effective at your job is often secondary to other talents when it comes to being 'successful'.

Policing is primarily about risk and risk management. The same as banking / finance. I wonder which sector wins the title of making the worst risk-based decisions, public or private? Or could the common denominator be human behaviour?

[R8Steve]

So the answer, in case anyone was wondering, to committing a crime and getting away with it is to ride a motorbike with no helmet.

[R8Steve]

What happens if you are caught at 32mph in a 30mph zone, given a formal warning then caught at a later date doing 32mph in a 30mph zone? Would you then be given a NIP/FPN for an SP30 and would this stand up in court? If not then there isn't much of a deterrent and the full thing is a bit of a waste of time.

On the plus side, LoonR1 will pay your legal fees if you are the first person to present evidence of a NIP for under 34mph

[ianrb]

It's going to be the Scottish equivalent of a speed awareness course, but without the inconvenience and expense.

I wonder if there will be a hidden flag on you driving licence, as per the speed awareness course, and I wonder if it will be able to distinguish between the Scottish and RUK data, so you can then get 1 warning in Scotland and 1 course in England before the penalty points?

[matchmaker]

House is a complete bellend.

That is all.

[Rangeroverover]

Hadrian had a point.....................anyone not "indigenous" is now treated as a leper, lets build the wall a bit higher and leave them all there, better yet why not build it right round the coastline and just wait for rain

[matchmaker]

Rangeroverover said:

Hadrian had a point.....................anyone not "indigenous" is now treated as a leper, lets build the wall a bit higher and leave them all there, better yet why not build it right round the coastline and just wait for rain

Go away, unless you have anything relevant to say about the subject of the thread. If you want to have an anti-Scottish rant, I'm sure you can find plenty of other threads on which to spout your drivel.

[Rude-boy]

esxste said:

Rude-boy said:

I can think of almost all of the fluffy bunny reasons that can be given.

I still don't actually care deep down, if you are not only trying to run from the Police but are also stupid enough to remove the one thing that might stop what little brains you have from being dashed all over the shop you get what you deserve.

The legal risk isn't just about injury to the perp, its also about injury to innocent bystanders.

Yes I am aware of that and thought if I should explain further but thought that the point was obvious - if they kept their helmet on then they would still be followed and there would still be the danger to the bystanders. By taking the helmet off all they are doing is increasing the chances of serious injury to them, the potential for serious injury to innocent bystanders is not increased.

[All that jazz]

Jasandjules said:

Good news for those living in Scotland though as clearly all burglaries and physical assaults have been solved.

Article said:

Traffic officers will start to issue the warnings - which will not result in a conviction, fine or penalty points - later this year under a six-month pilot scheme with a clear focus on long, wide and straight stretches of smooth carriageway where there have been no accidents but will be easy pickings for our officers.

EFA

[Martin_M]

I watch Road Wars, the police often use discretion. I watch COPS, the police often use discretion. I watch Police Interceptors, the police often use discretion. I was a special constable, we often used discretion.

I have been stopped for speeding on 4 occasions over the years in Glasgow, the police have never used discretion. I'm a nice guy as well

Only 3 left...hope I haven't cursed it.

[R8Steve]

Martin_M said:

I watch Road Wars, the police often use discretion. I watch COPS, the police often use discretion. I watch Police Interceptors, the police often use discretion. I was a special constable, we often used discretion.

I have been stopped for speeding on 4 occasions over the years in Glasgow, the police have never used discretion. I'm a nice guy as well

Only 3 left...hope I haven't cursed it.

That's because these programmes are actually subliminal messages put out to assure the public that the police are all humane people capable of compassion, understanding and kindness...the reality of course is somewhat different.

[Martin_M]

R8Steve said:

Martin_M said:

I watch Road Wars, the police often use discretion. I watch COPS, the police often use discretion. I watch Police Interceptors, the police often use discretion. I was a special constable, we often used discretion.

I have been stopped for speeding on 4 occasions over the years in Glasgow, the police have never used discretion. I'm a nice guy as well

Only 3 left...hope I haven't cursed it.

That's because these programmes are actually subliminal messages put out to assure the public that the police are all humane people capable of compassion, understanding and kindness...the reality of course is somewhat different.

lol

edit: Steve, it wasn't your R8 parked on the Hamilton Road near Mount Vernon today was it?

Edited by Martin_M on Tuesday 7th July 17:47

[kowalski655]

Has any cop ever been do e for causing death /injuries while chasing? Unless they ram Scroty McScumbag,surely if he bins it into a tree,its down to their driving whilst trying to escape.
Genuine Q,I have no idea.
Mind you,with PC as it is,and the lack of support for frontline coppers,I would not be surprised.

[R8Steve]

Martin_M said:

lol

edit: Steve, it wasn't your R8 parked on the Hamilton Road near Mount Vernon today was it?

Edited by Martin_M on Tuesday 7th July 17:47

Could well have been, my wee cousins had it the past few days and stays close to there, did it have a private plate R8 ***?

[Dogwatch]

esxste said:

Oh come now. As if the private sector doesn't have it's fill of halfwits. Being effective at your job is often secondary to other talents when it comes to being 'successful'.

Too true! Difference is of course that they can't inflict their half-baked ideas on the general public only on underlings, while senior management thinks the sun shines out of their you-know-where.

[carinaman]

esxste said:

supermono said:

The comical part is if he drives speeding convictions up massively and maybe speeds down a little, when the casualty numbers are unaffected he'll decree that even more clampdown is necessary. Quite how these halfwits get to run anything never mind something important amazes me. Suppose the disease of the public sector

Oh come now. As if the private sector doesn't have it's fill of halfwits. Being effective at your job is often secondary to other talents when it comes to being 'successful'.

Perhaps the private sector has fewer Common Purpose programmed 'Future Leaders'?

It's good to see House leading beyond authority on this very important road safety issue.