Alleged failure to notify DVLA of change of owner

[RCBRG]

I've had the same, and a court ruled in the DVLAs favour. Cost me £100 in fines and fees. Not receiving an aknowledgement letter was the important factor

That little rule may or may not get you out of difficult positions when scrapping vehicles though...

[Porkbrain]

havoc said:

Only works (apparently) between 8am and 6pm Mon-Sat though - whoever heard of a website only working during 'normal hours'?!?

Just tried to use it to find out the above, as Royal Mail have lost (or DVLA haven't acknowledged receipt) of the V5 I sent off last Monday using Signed-For. I could have saved myself the time and cost of posting the V5 off...

Thats a bit quick to surmise that RM have lost it.

The DVLA state they will confirm the change of keeper within 4 weeks.

Having just sold a motorhome and a car the notifications, and VED refunds, arrived about 16 days after posting the notification slips to them.

[B'stard Child]

Porkbrain said:

Thats a bit quick to surmise that RM have lost it.

The DVLA state they will confirm the change of keeper within 4 weeks.

Having just sold a motorhome and a car the notifications, and VED refunds, arrived about 16 days after posting the notification slips to them.

What happens when RM lose it???

[Porkbrain]

B'stard Child said:

Porkbrain said:

Thats a bit quick to surmise that RM have lost it.

The DVLA state they will confirm the change of keeper within 4 weeks.

Having just sold a motorhome and a car the notifications, and VED refunds, arrived about 16 days after posting the notification slips to them.

What happens when RM lose it???

If you haven't had confirmation within 4 weeks then YOU have to contact the DVLA to inform them of the fact.

Why assume that RM have lost it in Havoc's case?

[B'stard Child]

Porkbrain said:

B'stard Child said:

Porkbrain said:

Thats a bit quick to surmise that RM have lost it.

The DVLA state they will confirm the change of keeper within 4 weeks.

Having just sold a motorhome and a car the notifications, and VED refunds, arrived about 16 days after posting the notification slips to them.

What happens when RM lose it???

If you haven't had confirmation within 4 weeks then YOU have to contact the DVLA to inform them of the fact.

See that's where I have an issue with the "rules"

I'll set the scene - I rarely change my car in fact on average my ownership period is close to 10 years for a car (I don't much like depreciation)

I've bought a new car (I've taxed it insured it)

My old car I've SORN'd as the insurance has been transfered and because I have sorn'd I have a VED refund on route

I sell the old car to someone - I wave goodbye to car - I've been paid for it in cash I've done the due diligence and completed the reg doc with all the new owners details and he has the new keeper slip

I send the reg doc off and I'm done

Now I'm a busy person and now the onus is apparently on me to remember to check in 4 weeks that I've had an acknowledgement of the change

An acknowledgement that could just as equally get lost in the post

The DVLA's stipulation falls on the wrong party I think.........

Porkbrain said:

Why assume that RM have lost it in Havoc's case?

I wasn't it was a crappy bit of quoting!!!

[havoc]

Porkbrain said:

havoc said:

Only works (apparently) between 8am and 6pm Mon-Sat though - whoever heard of a website only working during 'normal hours'?!?

Just tried to use it to find out the above, as Royal Mail have lost (or DVLA haven't acknowledged receipt) of the V5 I sent off last Monday using Signed-For. I could have saved myself the time and cost of posting the V5 off...

Thats a bit quick to surmise that RM have lost it.

Tracking is showing it as still with RM 8 days after posting...if it's still in their system after that time, it's probably been misplaced (posted 3 letters same day, same time, 1x SD, 2x Signed-For, and the others were both delivered the following day).

[monthefish]

B'stard Child said:

Porkbrain said:

B'stard Child said:

Porkbrain said:

Thats a bit quick to surmise that RM have lost it.

The DVLA state they will confirm the change of keeper within 4 weeks.

Having just sold a motorhome and a car the notifications, and VED refunds, arrived about 16 days after posting the notification slips to them.

What happens when RM lose it???

If you haven't had confirmation within 4 weeks then YOU have to contact the DVLA to inform them of the fact.

See that's where I have an issue with the "rules"

I'll set the scene - I rarely change my car in fact on average my ownership period is close to 10 years for a car (I don't much like depreciation)

I've bought a new car (I've taxed it insured it)

My old car I've SORN'd as the insurance has been transfered and because I have sorn'd I have a VED refund on route

I sell the old car to someone - I wave goodbye to car - I've been paid for it in cash I've done the due diligence and completed the reg doc with all the new owners details and he has the new keeper slip

I send the reg doc off and I'm done

Now I'm a busy person and now the onus is apparently on me to remember to check in 4 weeks that I've had an acknowledgement of the change

An acknowledgement that could just as equally get lost in the post

The DVLA's stipulation falls on the wrong party I think.........

I don't believe there's any legal requirement to check that the acknowledgement has been received (nor any legal requirement to take any action in the case that it hasn't).

[B'stard Child]

monthefish said:

I don't believe there's any legal requirement to check that the acknowledgement has been received (nor any legal requirement to take any action in the case that it hasn't).

I believe you are correct but DVLA use that statement as a lever against people in the event of a court case!!!

[B'stard Child]

So bumping this back up - did you roll over and pay up?

[un1corn]

B'stard Child said:

Porkbrain said:

B'stard Child said:

Porkbrain said:

Thats a bit quick to surmise that RM have lost it.

The DVLA state they will confirm the change of keeper within 4 weeks.

Having just sold a motorhome and a car the notifications, and VED refunds, arrived about 16 days after posting the notification slips to them.

What happens when RM lose it???

If you haven't had confirmation within 4 weeks then YOU have to contact the DVLA to inform them of the fact.

See that's where I have an issue with the "rules"

I'll set the scene - I rarely change my car in fact on average my ownership period is close to 10 years for a car (I don't much like depreciation)

I've bought a new car (I've taxed it insured it)

My old car I've SORN'd as the insurance has been transfered and because I have sorn'd I have a VED refund on route

I sell the old car to someone - I wave goodbye to car - I've been paid for it in cash I've done the due diligence and completed the reg doc with all the new owners details and he has the new keeper slip

I send the reg doc off and I'm done

Now I'm a busy person and now the onus is apparently on me to remember to check in 4 weeks that I've had an acknowledgement of the change

An acknowledgement that could just as equally get lost in the post

The DVLA's stipulation falls on the wrong party I think.........

Porkbrain said:

Why assume that RM have lost it in Havoc's case?

I wasn't it was a crappy bit of quoting!!!

I disagree.

You've got a duty of responsibility to yourself, if nobody else, to ensure the DVLA have done their job. At the end of the day, you could be selling the car to any tom dick who is more than happy to leave it unregistered and spend all day stealing petrol from forecourts and blatting through speed cameras and such.

Saying "i'm a busy person" doesn't cut it for me to be honest. The DVLA don't remind you when your MoT is due, but you obviously ensure that you get it sorted on time.

I'm not having a dig, I just think it's not much to ask to check the letter has arrived. Worst case scenario, it's a 10 minute phone call. I've sold probably 12-15 cars in the last 8 years and never had an issue once.