Discrimination during maternity leave

Discrimination during maternity leave

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RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

113 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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desolate said:
RobinOakapple said:
Assuming that you are not trolling, maternity disadvantages have already been factored in, in the point I was replying too.

As for being treated like a note taker etc, that might be irritating but in no way affects opportunities for advancement.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
There's many a slip 'twixt cup and lip

IanA2

2,763 posts

163 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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RobinOakapple said:
IanA2 said:

Carefully chosen words, and rightly so as we know women still face considerable hurdles in the workplace.
Anything in particular?
I particularly enjoy imagining your comical posts being sung in baritone. Sort of sugar coats them....

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

113 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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IanA2 said:
RobinOakapple said:
IanA2 said:

Carefully chosen words, and rightly so as we know women still face considerable hurdles in the workplace.
Anything in particular?
I particularly enjoy imagining your comical posts being sung in baritone. Sort of sugar coats them....
I, otoh, don't imagine much of anything from your posts.

Actus Reus

Original Poster:

4,234 posts

156 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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This thread, in places, could do with a sousaphone accompaniment.

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

113 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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Perhaps the White Knights here would like to have a look at this thread-

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Misogynist fantasies? An indication of widely held appalling male attitudes towards women? Grain of truth here and there?

Whatever, they should certainly be on that thread and providing some balance.


anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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RobinOakapple said:
Perhaps the White Knights here would like to have a look at this thread-

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Misogynist fantasies? An indication of widely held appalling male attitudes towards women? Grain of truth here and there?

Whatever, they should certainly be on that thread and providing some balance.
It's a light hearted thread in the lounge - so a completely different kettle of fish than this thread.

This isn't about "male attitudes" - it's about discrimination against women due to the fact that only they can get pregnant. This discrimination comes from both men and women.

It is unarguable that it does happen as posters on this thread have openly admitted they wouldn't employ women of child bearing age and I have come across such an attitude on a regular basis out in the real world.



IanA2

2,763 posts

163 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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RobinOakapple said:
IanA2 said:
RobinOakapple said:
IanA2 said:

Carefully chosen words, and rightly so as we know women still face considerable hurdles in the workplace.
Anything in particular?
I particularly enjoy imagining your comical posts being sung in baritone. Sort of sugar coats them....
I, otoh, don't imagine much of anything from your posts.
Pity, I thought you were a G&S fan......

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

158 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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desolate said:
It is unarguable that it does happen as posters on this thread have openly admitted they wouldn't employ women of child bearing age and I have come across such an attitude on a regular basis out in the real world.
Damn right.

They are running businesses not charities. They want employees that will turn up for work not have a year off, or several, not call in unable to attend when little Tommy has the squits, and have their mind on their work and not what little Tommy needs to take to school the next day.

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

113 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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IanA2 said:
Pity, I thought you were a G&S fan......
I am, but I still don't imagine much of anything from your posts......

(I put a row of dots after my post, am I doing this right?)

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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PurpleMoonlight said:
desolate said:
It is unarguable that it does happen as posters on this thread have openly admitted they wouldn't employ women of child bearing age and I have come across such an attitude on a regular basis out in the real world.
Damn right.

They are running businesses not charities. They want employees that will turn up for work not have a year off, or several, not call in unable to attend when little Tommy has the squits, and have their mind on their work and not what little Tommy needs to take to school the next day.
So there we have it - definitive proof the discrimination exists.
So that is that but to bed.


Could we let this thread rest now?

Maybe the brave entrepreneurs and business managers could start a new thread pissing and whinging about the legislation?


RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

113 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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desolate said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
desolate said:
It is unarguable that it does happen as posters on this thread have openly admitted they wouldn't employ women of child bearing age and I have come across such an attitude on a regular basis out in the real world.
Damn right.

They are running businesses not charities. They want employees that will turn up for work not have a year off, or several, not call in unable to attend when little Tommy has the squits, and have their mind on their work and not what little Tommy needs to take to school the next day.
So there we have it - definitive proof the discrimination exists.
So that is that but to bed.


Could we let this thread rest now?

Maybe the brave entrepreneurs and business managers could start a new thread pissing and whinging about the legislation?
Why would they need to complain about the legislation. AIUI, PM is saying that they are avoiding the worst aspects of the legislation by not employing the people the legislation is designed to advantage.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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RobinOakapple said:
Why would they need to complain about the legislation. AIUI, PM is saying that they are avoiding the worst aspects of the legislation by not employing the people the legislation is designed to advantage.
And by doing so they are breaking the law. Which has consequences if they get caught.



mph1977

12,467 posts

169 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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IanA2 said:
RobinOakapple said:
IanA2 said:

Carefully chosen words, and rightly so as we know women still face considerable hurdles in the workplace.
Anything in particular?
I particularly enjoy imagining your comical posts being sung in baritone. Sort of sugar coats them....
in the manner of a G+S patter song ?

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

158 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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desolate said:
And by doing so they are breaking the law. Which has consequences if they get caught.
Hey, is it my fault the best person for the job is male?

tongue out

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

113 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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desolate said:
RobinOakapple said:
Why would they need to complain about the legislation. AIUI, PM is saying that they are avoiding the worst aspects of the legislation by not employing the people the legislation is designed to advantage.
And by doing so they are breaking the law. Which has consequences if they get caught.
PM has answered that very nicely.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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RobinOakapple said:
desolate said:
RobinOakapple said:
Why would they need to complain about the legislation. AIUI, PM is saying that they are avoiding the worst aspects of the legislation by not employing the people the legislation is designed to advantage.
And by doing so they are breaking the law. Which has consequences if they get caught.
PM has answered that very nicely.
This argument will go nowhere so I will leave it after reminding you he has already openly stated he either does, or would if required, break the law.

He may well get away with it, as lots of employers do.




Granfondo

12,241 posts

207 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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desolate said:
RobinOakapple said:
desolate said:
RobinOakapple said:
Why would they need to complain about the legislation. AIUI, PM is saying that they are avoiding the worst aspects of the legislation by not employing the people the legislation is designed to advantage.
And by doing so they are breaking the law. Which has consequences if they get caught.
PM has answered that very nicely.
This argument will go nowhere so I will leave it after reminding you he has already openly stated he either does, or would if required, break the law.

He may well get away with it, as lots of employers do.
Get away with what?
Ar you an employer?
If the best person for the job is someone that will not be off for 1 year due to getting pregnant then whether that be male or female so be it!
The best person for a job has many parameters not just qualifications. smile

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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Granfondo said:
Get away with what?
Ar you an employer?
If the best person for the job is someone that will not be off for 1 year due to getting pregnant then whether that be male or female so be it!
The best person for a job has many parameters not just qualifications. smile
Get away with what?

Discriminating against women, on the grounds of them being of child bearing age.

Are you an employer?

Yes - have been a significant shareholder and senior management in a number of businesses since 2003. At peak employed around 300 people currently have around 60 employees across a few smaller businesses.


As said - this argument will go nowhere, but I hope my credentials at least allow me to comment without being dismissed by the hard done by business owners and valiant entrepreneurs.

moorx

3,516 posts

115 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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It's also somewhat galling - as a woman - to be subjected to the assumption that you will (at some point) have children. Not all of us do....

I have been asked outright at an interview whether I was in a relationship and whether I intended to have children. The reason behind the question was made clear, too. I was too young, naive and intimidated to challenge it at the time, but the interviewer had all sorts of other objectionable opinions (racist, misogynist, etc, etc). I wasn't too disappointed when I didn't get the job.


PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

158 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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desolate said:
Yes - have been a significant shareholder and senior management in a number of businesses since 2003. At peak employed around 300 people currently have around 60 employees across a few smaller businesses.
The dynamics of a business employing 300 are vastly different to one employing 3.

I posted much earlier in the thread about an associate that had two of four on maternity leave at the same time. It crippled his business for several months.

I would never blame any small business seeking to employ only people that will not be potentially detrimental to their livelihood. The law is well meaning but overly burdensome to small businesses and therefor has unintended consequences.