LTI 20-20 UltraLyte 100 Calibration checks

LTI 20-20 UltraLyte 100 Calibration checks

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HantsRat

2,369 posts

109 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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If it is reading 0mph when it should be 0mph it is calculating the speed correctly.

One guy did question the accuracy of these devices, the prosecution tested the devive on a moving vehicle at over 100mph and the court accepted the results. He had to foot the bill. - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-32733002

In using these guns for 6 years I would say they are 99% accurate. The 1% being when I drove off leaving one on the car roof which then fell off, hit the ground and knocked the alignment out so had to be sent back.

JustinP1

13,330 posts

231 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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HantsRat said:
In using these guns for 6 years I would say they are 99% accurate. The 1% being when I drove off leaving one on the car roof which then fell off, hit the ground and knocked the alignment out so had to be sent back.
The difficulty is that if you ask anyone who aims at a target, professionally or otherwise, whether they thought they hit it then the answer would be yes.

Of course with a projectile, you can see where the projectile has hit.

On an enforcement video, you can see where the sights are just before the reading takes place. Without that, we just have to trust what the operator thinks they hit.

My issue is that human error must be there. Please take this in the positive way that this is intended in that I think you would be brave to suggest that over six years you have never succumbed to human error, or made a mistake.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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HantsRat said:
If it is reading 0mph when it should be 0mph it is calculating the speed correctly.
At 0mph it is.

What about 0+mph?

Your test of 0mph for a stationary object does not confirm accuracy of anything but 0mph. The difference between my car's speedo and GPS speed varies as speed increases.

Are you saying the manufacturer is incapable of confirming it's reading correct speeds in all circumstances?

tapereel

1,860 posts

117 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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mybrainhurts said:
HantsRat said:
If it is reading 0mph when it should be 0mph it is calculating the speed correctly.
At 0mph it is.

What about 0+mph?

Your test of 0mph for a stationary object does not confirm accuracy of anything but 0mph. The difference between my car's speedo and GPS speed varies as speed increases.

Are you saying the manufacturer is incapable of confirming it's reading correct speeds in all circumstances?
the device calculates all speeds in the same way so a 0mph test confirms the accuracy for the full range of speeds. As it happens a 0mph target is the most difficult for the device to measure...but as your brain is hurting trying to understand how it works you either won't believe what I have written or won't understand it.

For other doubters the range is of no consequence to accuracy in the speed.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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tapereel said:
mybrainhurts said:
HantsRat said:
If it is reading 0mph when it should be 0mph it is calculating the speed correctly.
At 0mph it is.

What about 0+mph?

Your test of 0mph for a stationary object does not confirm accuracy of anything but 0mph. The difference between my car's speedo and GPS speed varies as speed increases.

Are you saying the manufacturer is incapable of confirming it's reading correct speeds in all circumstances?
the device calculates all speeds in the same way so a 0mph test confirms the accuracy for the full range of speeds. As it happens a 0mph target is the most difficult for the device to measure...but as your brain is hurting trying to understand how it works you either won't believe what I have written or won't understand it.
No, I don't understand it. Does this work in the same way as the notion that my speedo is accurate at 0mph, so it must be accurate for all speeds?

I'll try to understand it if you provide some more information.

tapereel

1,860 posts

117 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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mybrainhurts said:
No, I don't understand it. Does this work in the same way as the notion that my speedo is accurate at 0mph, so it must be accurate for all speeds?

I'll try to understand it if you provide some more information.
no and no

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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tapereel said:
mybrainhurts said:
No, I don't understand it. Does this work in the same way as the notion that my speedo is accurate at 0mph, so it must be accurate for all speeds?

I'll try to understand it if you provide some more information.
no and no
Thanks, I'm convinced now.

JustinP1

13,330 posts

231 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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tapereel said:
the device calculates all speeds in the same way so a 0mph test confirms the accuracy for the full range of speeds. As it happens a 0mph target is the most difficult for the device to measure...but as your brain is hurting trying to understand how it works you either won't believe what I have written or won't understand it.

For other doubters the range is of no consequence to accuracy in the speed.
I call bks on all of those statements I'm afraid.

cptsideways

13,551 posts

253 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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Great for measuring the high speed buildings at Thruxton


HantsRat, next time your out zapping have a play at seeing how fast white lines in the distance go wink


Bigends

5,424 posts

129 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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cptsideways said:
Great for measuring the high speed buildings at Thruxton


HantsRat, next time your out zapping have a play at seeing how fast white lines in the distance go wink
Used to use the old K15 radar guns - could often get a lampost doing 60mph!

tapereel

1,860 posts

117 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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JustinP1 said:
tapereel said:
the device calculates all speeds in the same way so a 0mph test confirms the accuracy for the full range of speeds. As it happens a 0mph target is the most difficult for the device to measure...but as your brain is hurting trying to understand how it works you either won't believe what I have written or won't understand it.

For other doubters the range is of no consequence to accuracy in the speed.
I call bks on all of those statements I'm afraid.
Well you are typing bks so that's fine.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Wednesday 9th September 2015
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tapereel said:
JustinP1 said:
tapereel said:
the device calculates all speeds in the same way so a 0mph test confirms the accuracy for the full range of speeds. As it happens a 0mph target is the most difficult for the device to measure...but as your brain is hurting trying to understand how it works you either won't believe what I have written or won't understand it.

For other doubters the range is of no consequence to accuracy in the speed.
I call bks on all of those statements I'm afraid.
Well you are typing bks so that's fine.
No, unless you can come up with some technical evidence to back up your assertion, it's you who's talking bks.

spunky-mon

898 posts

210 months

Thursday 10th September 2015
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mybrainhurts said:
tapereel said:
JustinP1 said:
tapereel said:
the device calculates all speeds in the same way so a 0mph test confirms the accuracy for the full range of speeds. As it happens a 0mph target is the most difficult for the device to measure...but as your brain is hurting trying to understand how it works you either won't believe what I have written or won't understand it.

For other doubters the range is of no consequence to accuracy in the speed.
I call bks on all of those statements I'm afraid.
Well you are typing bks so that's fine.
No, unless you can come up with some technical evidence to back up your assertion, it's you who's talking bks.
To be honest, I also call bullst unless you can provide more info relating to laser calibrations.

I work for a company that manufactures load measuring devices up to to 1500te. We carry out a yearly calibration on all of our customers equipment. When you switch the unit on it displays a zero load and we then calibrate the equipment so, for example, at 20te it reads 20te.

Now, if I was to switch the equipment on and it shows a zero reading there is no way on earth that I can be sure it will still read 20te under a load of 20te this is why most of our customers have a fixed known load (big block of concrete / metal) that they check the readings against further up the scale.

I will admit that 9 times out of 10 once the equipment is calibrated it rarely needs adjusted again year on year unless it has been mistreated, but still, how you can say that because the equipment reads zero at zero it will then read 70 at 70 is beyond me.

Happy to be proven otherwise though.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 11th September 2015
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tapereel said:
JustinP1 said:
tapereel said:
the device calculates all speeds in the same way so a 0mph test confirms the accuracy for the full range of speeds. As it happens a 0mph target is the most difficult for the device to measure...but as your brain is hurting trying to understand how it works you either won't believe what I have written or won't understand it.

For other doubters the range is of no consequence to accuracy in the speed.
I call bks on all of those statements I'm afraid.
Well you are typing bks so that's fine.
Not really. You have made a statement which has been questioned. You should provide some evidence or withdraw or we have the right to think you aren't actually as knowledgeable as you seem to think.

If you know so much it shouldn't be hard for you to explain how this all works. It's hardly giving away state secrets is it?


Davo93

Original Poster:

11 posts

126 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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UPDATE (24.11.2015)

I went to trial yesterday and represented myself.

I was found NOT GUILTY

I`ll add more later as I think the conclusion of this case will help people

Cheers

0000

13,812 posts

192 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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Good grief. Well done and please do update us...

Davo93

Original Poster:

11 posts

126 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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0000 said:
Good grief. Well done and please do update us...
Thank you. I need to sit down and write down everything. It will be quite lengthy but as I said, may help other drivers out there.

JustinP1

13,330 posts

231 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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Congratulations - you were brave, and it paid off!

Please do fill us in with the details!

HantsRat

2,369 posts

109 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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Congrats!

Do let us know full details. Interested to know what the error was.

Davo93

Original Poster:

11 posts

126 months

Tuesday 24th November 2015
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HantsRat said:
Congrats!

Do let us know full details. Interested to know what the error was.
Very Quickly

1. The speed not being written on the ticket

2. No offence, but two absolutely useless Police Officers who clearly had little court experience, ably assisted by an equally useless CPS rep.