LTI 20-20 UltraLyte 100 Calibration checks
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tapereel said:
HantsRat said:
TOPTON said:
I know the difference but it seems the operators don't. Why have guidelines if they are not there to follow, unless some other situation happens to alter them.
I think you will find the vast majority of cases are within the guidelines. Put a FOI in to your local force asking how many people have had action taken against them under 35mph in a 30 zone. Besides that, my point was not about 30 zones and I already know guidelines aren't followed in 60 NSL roads. I was caught in the overtaking lane on an uphill section, totally straight road, no junctions or farm entrances, with the van hidden in the bushes near the top, like a sniper, pointing his camera downhill for this very reason. Safety camera may ass!!
TOPTON said:
tapereel said:
HantsRat said:
TOPTON said:
I know the difference but it seems the operators don't. Why have guidelines if they are not there to follow, unless some other situation happens to alter them.
I think you will find the vast majority of cases are within the guidelines. Put a FOI in to your local force asking how many people have had action taken against them under 35mph in a 30 zone. Besides that, my point was not about 30 zones and I already know guidelines aren't followed in 60 NSL roads. I was caught in the overtaking lane on an uphill section, totally straight road, no junctions or farm entrances, with the van hidden in the bushes near the top, like a sniper, pointing his camera downhill for this very reason. Safety camera may ass!!
I don't know of any extant guidance that has within it the issues you are concerned about. In any case none of what you mention have or could in any way affect the lawfulness of the detection of your speed.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/acpo_speed_...
Guess how many prosecutions in Surrey since 2011
Guess how many prosecutions in Surrey since 2011
state4 said:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/acpo_speed_...
Guess how many prosecutions in Surrey since 2011
well I never did! noneGuess how many prosecutions in Surrey since 2011
tapereel said:
in what respect are they not followed and what guidance are you referring to?
I don't know of any extant guidance that has within it the issues you are concerned about. In any case none of what you mention have or could in any way affect the lawfulness of the detection of your speed.
I've already said on that day it was my own choice to go over the speed limit. I haven't said or even hinted that anything was wrong or affected the lawfulness of being detected.I don't know of any extant guidance that has within it the issues you are concerned about. In any case none of what you mention have or could in any way affect the lawfulness of the detection of your speed.
The known guidelines, for guidance of the camera operator is 10%+2, 68mph in my case. But yet I get points for 67.
Why on this day did the operative step below the guidance figure, who knows. Maybe to meet his sales target
TOPTON said:
tapereel said:
in what respect are they not followed and what guidance are you referring to?
I don't know of any extant guidance that has within it the issues you are concerned about. In any case none of what you mention have or could in any way affect the lawfulness of the detection of your speed.
I've already said on that day it was my own choice to go over the speed limit. I haven't said or even hinted that anything was wrong or affected the lawfulness of being detected.I don't know of any extant guidance that has within it the issues you are concerned about. In any case none of what you mention have or could in any way affect the lawfulness of the detection of your speed.
The known guidelines, for guidance of the camera operator is 10%+2, 68mph in my case. But yet I get points for 67.
Why on this day did the operative step below the guidance figure, who knows. Maybe to meet his sales target
TOPTON said:
I've already said on that day it was my own choice to go over the speed limit. I haven't said or even hinted that anything was wrong or affected the lawfulness of being detected.
The known guidelines, for guidance of the camera operator is 10%+2, 68mph in my case. But yet I get points for 67.
Why on this day did the operative step below the guidance figure, who knows. Maybe to meet his sales target
Were you driving a van? Remember different speed limits for them. Only 50mph on a single carriageway. The known guidelines, for guidance of the camera operator is 10%+2, 68mph in my case. But yet I get points for 67.
Why on this day did the operative step below the guidance figure, who knows. Maybe to meet his sales target
I was done for 76mph on an A road dual carriageway in Scotland as limit was 60mph in my van.
I was in the line of traffic doing same speed as all the cars.
I paid up as I was caught doing wrong.
Still makes me laugh the amount of people that think we have targets to meet. Utter rubbish!
If I'm out with the laser and get no one speeding then I've done my job. Even if other drivers are flashing etc, it meets the overall objective to slow vehicles down.
Maybe when they return to the area in the future they will keep the speed down.
If I'm out with the laser and get no one speeding then I've done my job. Even if other drivers are flashing etc, it meets the overall objective to slow vehicles down.
Maybe when they return to the area in the future they will keep the speed down.
HantsRat said:
Still makes me laugh the amount of people that think we have targets to meet. Utter rubbish!
Not up here it's not. I have been told by 3 officers, one quite senior that they have targets to meet particularly for speeding offences since the creation of the single Scottish force. So either they are lying, exaggerating or it's true.J
jith said:
Not up here it's not. I have been told by 3 officers, one quite senior that they have targets to meet particularly for speeding offences since the creation of the single Scottish force. So either they are lying, exaggerating or it's true.
J
Scotland is completely different to policing in England so maybe they do have targets up there. In Hampshire though, we certainly don't have any. J
jith said:
HantsRat said:
Still makes me laugh the amount of people that think we have targets to meet. Utter rubbish!
Not up here it's not. I have been told by 3 officers, one quite senior that they have targets to meet particularly for speeding offences since the creation of the single Scottish force. So either they are lying, exaggerating or it's true.J
In my experience there are no targets to be met in the total number of weekly, monthly or annual offences for officers. it is also my experience that there are a very small number of officers involved in the safety camera operations who would know anything about it but there are a huge number of officers who speculate and feign knowledge of something they have not had any involvement in. Exactly why officers do this is up to the reader to speculate.
HantsRat said:
jith said:
Not up here it's not. I have been told by 3 officers, one quite senior that they have targets to meet particularly for speeding offences since the creation of the single Scottish force. So either they are lying, exaggerating or it's true.
J
Scotland is completely different to policing in England so maybe they do have targets up there. In Hampshire though, we certainly don't have any. J
HantsRat said:
jith said:
Not up here it's not. I have been told by 3 officers, one quite senior that they have targets to meet particularly for speeding offences since the creation of the single Scottish force. So either they are lying, exaggerating or it's true.
J
Scotland is completely different to policing in England so maybe they do have targets up there. In Hampshire though, we certainly don't have any. J
Bigends said:
HantsRat said:
jith said:
Not up here it's not. I have been told by 3 officers, one quite senior that they have targets to meet particularly for speeding offences since the creation of the single Scottish force. So either they are lying, exaggerating or it's true.
J
Scotland is completely different to policing in England so maybe they do have targets up there. In Hampshire though, we certainly don't have any. J
Bigends said:
Though, in your role - there will be an expectation that you will submit some speed process regularly or I would imagine there'd be questions asked at yearly review time?
You'd be wrong (and not for the first time)There's no pressure to get 'speeders'. But when on patrol there's enough people who are blind and deaf to ensure that there will always be some submitted. Even on the very rare occasions that the speed gun comes out (normally during TISPOL week), the bar is set so high that anyone caught really can't moan (although some of them do)
Elroy Blue said:
Bigends said:
Though, in your role - there will be an expectation that you will submit some speed process regularly or I would imagine there'd be questions asked at yearly review time?
You'd be wrong (and not for the first time)There's no pressure to get 'speeders'. But when on patrol there's enough people who are blind and deaf to ensure that there will always be some submitted. Even on the very rare occasions that the speed gun comes out (normally during TISPOL week), the bar is set so high that anyone caught really can't moan (although some of them do)
Edited by Bigends on Thursday 27th August 13:39
Bigends said:
Never said was any pressure or numerical targets but you cant tell me that comment wouldnt be made at review time if process wasn't being regularly submitted.
Edited by Bigends on Thursday 27th August 13:39
Bigends said:
- there will be an expectation that you will submit some speed process regularly
You'd have to be driving around with your eyes shut not to get some. But there is no pressure and if you're doing other work, then no, it's not a major factor. It's your all round ability as an officer, not 'how many tickets have you given out'.Bigends said:
Never said was any pressure or numerical targets but you cant tell me that comment wouldnt be made at review time if process wasn't being regularly submitted.
It simply wouldn't happen. We are traffic officers. We will easily get at least one speeder per shift. In the unmarked car I will probably get over 4 especially on a weekend or night shift. There are also ops which are run at complaint sites where we will go and do an hour or twos worth of laser. Edited by Bigends on Thursday 27th August 13:39
It's simply impossible to be an RPU officer and not get speeders.
There are no targets at all.
HantsRat said:
Still makes me laugh the amount of people that think we have targets to meet. Utter rubbish!
If I'm out with the laser and get no one speeding then I've done my job. Even if other drivers are flashing etc, it meets the overall objective to slow vehicles down.
Maybe when they return to the area in the future they will keep the speed down.
I think you must live in a different world to most of us, or probably in a world where we'd like to live. Even some tv cop shows in the past have admitted to having targets to meet. Flashing lights, well that's 3 points for obstructing an officer from carrying out his duty. If I'm out with the laser and get no one speeding then I've done my job. Even if other drivers are flashing etc, it meets the overall objective to slow vehicles down.
Maybe when they return to the area in the future they will keep the speed down.
The police around here in Cumbria that I see are purely out to catch. I've seen them hiding behind a wall, standing up or leaning out whenever they hear a car. None of this guideline stuff of assessing speed first and then checking with the gun. Every single car is pointed at with the gun. I've sat and watched them do it.
TOPTON said:
I think you must live in a different world to most of us, or probably in a world where we'd like to live. Even some tv cop shows in the past have admitted to having targets to meet. Flashing lights, well that's 3 points for obstructing an officer from carrying out his duty.
The police around here in Cumbria that I see are purely out to catch. I've seen them hiding behind a wall, standing up or leaning out whenever they hear a car. None of this guideline stuff of assessing speed first and then checking with the gun. Every single car is pointed at with the gun. I've sat and watched them do it.
And how do you know they are pulling the trigger at every car?The police around here in Cumbria that I see are purely out to catch. I've seen them hiding behind a wall, standing up or leaning out whenever they hear a car. None of this guideline stuff of assessing speed first and then checking with the gun. Every single car is pointed at with the gun. I've sat and watched them do it.
When I laser, I look through the viewfinder until I see a vehicle which in my opinion is speeding, I then squeeze the trigger to get a speed reading. That's what we are trained to do.
Just because you see an officer pointing the laser at traffic, doesn't mean they are reading every car.
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