The new Average speed cameras on the A40 /westway West Lond

[Mandat]

masermartin said:

Thank you for the update. Is this just on the A40, or on the other schemes mentioned as well, do you know.

This was on the A40, which I use regularly. Unfortunately, I don't know about the other routes.

[CGJJ]

The same average speed cameras have been installed on the North Circular from Hanger Lane to the M1 junction.
I travelled that way yesterday.

[giggity]

CGJJ said:

The same average speed cameras have been installed on the North Circular from Hanger Lane to the M1 junction.
I travelled that way yesterday.

Not sure if the A406 ones are active yet. If so I'll probably see some st land in the post soon.

fkers.

The A40 is active so I crawl along even at 3AM.

Real progress here. In the 70's you could do national limit from Wood Lane to Paddington.

Now it's a pathetic joke of a speed, despite advancements in technology, safety and roads.

Oh, I forgot, the lure of the money is too hard to resist for them css at TFL.

[fergus]

giggity said:

The A40 is active so I crawl along even at 3AM.

per the gantry signs, enforcement doesn't start until 27 Oct, but I think it's a brave man who tests it out given the infrastructure is all in place

[spikey78]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet-the hanger lane underpass has had LED lighting fitted and the 30mph limit has gone

[Dave Finney]

masermartin said:

Mandat said:

I saw a temporary matrix sign today, stating that the average speed enforcement is to commence from 27 October.

Thank you for the update. Is this just on the A40, or on the other schemes mentioned as well, do you know.

TfL are now saying 26 October (rather than 27 October they said previously). Makes sense as this is a Monday. TfL's error is probably a genuine mistake this time, rather than misleading or false information.

So that's the Monday after next then!

[fergus]

Dave Finney said:

TfL are now saying 26 October (rather than 27 October they said previously). Makes sense as this is a Monday. TfL's error is probably a genuine mistake this time, rather than misleading or false information.

So that's the Monday after next then!

Thks Dave. I wonder if they will update the various dot matrix displays en route?

[andy355]

Anyone seen any new signage on go live date please ?

today I saw a large dot matrix sign saying sign under test and heading west from marylebone not much signage relating to average speed

Edited by andy355 on Sunday 18th October 03:47

[unsolicited]

Loads of matrix signs now. All say 26th..

Some slight relief for a few days. Hell returns on the elevated section soon - make the most of it.

[fergus]

unsolicited said:

Loads of matrix signs now. All say 26th..

Some slight relief for a few days. Hell returns on the elevated section soon - make the most of it.

Only 7 days left to set a personal best along the Westway....

Most traffic is already towing the line, as going Westbound there is very little obvious (electronic) signage to say when the scheme goes live.

[CGJJ]

I am not using the A40 anymore.
I've switched to the M4.

[Slaav]

fergus said:

unsolicited said:

Loads of matrix signs now. All say 26th..

Some slight relief for a few days. Hell returns on the elevated section soon - make the most of it.

Only 7 days left to set a personal best along the Westway....

Most traffic is already towing the line, as going Westbound there is very little obvious (electronic) signage to say when the scheme goes live.

Have seen the signs myself now for the 26th! All the older style GATSOs seem to have been removed and as someone said earlier, do these new cameras have the ability to read one off or snap speeds? If not, does that mean the A40 is currently uncamera'd? The signs say that the AVERAGE SPEED enforcement comes in from 26th (from memory)

[DonkeyApple]

I wondered that. All the Gatso's gone and the new kit surely cannot be used for legal prosecutions as the signage says they aren't live?

Is now the time to head out for a new Polish War Memorial to Hanger Lane PB?

It's nearly 20 years since I set my last PB. In a Griff beating my father's set in the 60s with a D Type.

[Dave Finney]

DonkeyApple said:

Is now the time to head out for a new Polish War Memorial to Hanger Lane PB?

Probably not, the time was perhaps 2 decades ago!

[DonkeyApple]

Dave Finney said:

DonkeyApple said:

Is now the time to head out for a new Polish War Memorial to Hanger Lane PB?

Probably not, the time was perhaps 2 decades ago!

I'm not sure that it was right then. But at least 20 years ago you could find the west way with no traffic on it.

But legally, if all the Gatsos are gone and the new system has publicly announced it won't be enforcing until the 26th, what is currently enforcing speeding?

[Slaav]

DonkeyApple said:

Dave Finney said:

DonkeyApple said:

Is now the time to head out for a new Polish War Memorial to Hanger Lane PB?

Probably not, the time was perhaps 2 decades ago!

I'm not sure that it was right then. But at least 20 years ago you could find the west way with no traffic on it.

But legally, if all the Gatsos are gone and the new system has publicly announced it won't be enforcing until the 26th, what is currently enforcing speeding?

Traffic Police?

[Dave Finney]

Slaav said:

DonkeyApple said:

Dave Finney said:

DonkeyApple said:

Is now the time to head out for a new Polish War Memorial to Hanger Lane PB?

Probably not, the time was perhaps 2 decades ago!

I'm not sure that it was right then. But at least 20 years ago you could find the west way with no traffic on it.

But legally, if all the Gatsos are gone and the new system has publicly announced it won't be enforcing until the 26th, what is currently enforcing speeding?

Traffic Police?

We could have kept traffic Police at full strength but successive governments have decided to have other interventions instead (such as speed cameras). There is no problem running speed cameras but we must only do so if:
1) all speed cameras are deployed within scientific trials
2) the public are made aware that more speed cameras means fewer traffic police (or other cuts to NHS etc)

So far, neither of these has been done!

[vonhosen]

Dave Finney said:

Slaav said:

DonkeyApple said:

Dave Finney said:

DonkeyApple said:

Is now the time to head out for a new Polish War Memorial to Hanger Lane PB?

Probably not, the time was perhaps 2 decades ago!

I'm not sure that it was right then. But at least 20 years ago you could find the west way with no traffic on it.

But legally, if all the Gatsos are gone and the new system has publicly announced it won't be enforcing until the 26th, what is currently enforcing speeding?

Traffic Police?

We could have kept traffic Police at full strength but successive governments have decided to have other interventions instead (such as speed cameras). There is no problem running speed cameras but we must only do so if:
1) all speed cameras are deployed within scientific trials
2) the public are made aware that more speed cameras means fewer traffic police (or other cuts to NHS etc)

So far, neither of these has been done!

1) Anywhere speed limits apply enforcement of those limits is justified (limits are pointless if there is no possibility of enforcement anytime anywhere). The only sensible argument is against the suitability of a speed limit, not the enforcement of it once it's there.
2) You can take fewer Traffic Police as a given, irrespective of speed cameras. More cuts are coming with funding cutbacks.

[Dave Finney]

vonhosen said:

Dave Finney said:

Slaav said:

DonkeyApple said:

Dave Finney said:

DonkeyApple said:

Is now the time to head out for a new Polish War Memorial to Hanger Lane PB?

Probably not, the time was perhaps 2 decades ago!

I'm not sure that it was right then. But at least 20 years ago you could find the west way with no traffic on it.

But legally, if all the Gatsos are gone and the new system has publicly announced it won't be enforcing until the 26th, what is currently enforcing speeding?

Traffic Police?

We could have kept traffic Police at full strength but successive governments have decided to have other interventions instead (such as speed cameras). There is no problem running speed cameras but we must only do so if:
1) all speed cameras are deployed within scientific trials
2) the public are made aware that more speed cameras means fewer traffic police (or other cuts to NHS etc)

So far, neither of these has been done!

1) Anywhere speed limits apply enforcement of those limits is justified (limits are pointless if there is no possibility of enforcement anytime anywhere). The only sensible argument is against the suitability of a speed limit, not the enforcement of it once it's there.
2) You can take fewer Traffic Police as a given, irrespective of speed cameras. More cuts are coming with funding cutbacks.

That may be your opinion but doesn't the government claim only to prosecute citizens (for any law) when it's "in the public interest" to do so?
More speed cameras = fewer traffic Police (or less of something else or a higher cost to society)

And what about the dishonesty of those who run speed cameras? Shouldn't we demand the same competence and honesty from the government, as we do in any other area of safety engineering?

[vonhosen]

Dave Finney said:

vonhosen said:

1) Anywhere speed limits apply enforcement of those limits is justified (limits are pointless if there is no possibility of enforcement anytime anywhere). The only sensible argument is against the suitability of a speed limit, not the enforcement of it once it's there.
2) You can take fewer Traffic Police as a given, irrespective of speed cameras. More cuts are coming with funding cutbacks.

That may be your opinion but doesn't the government claim only to prosecute citizens (for any law) when it's "in the public interest" to do so?
More speed cameras = fewer traffic Police (or less of something else or a higher cost to society)

And what about the dishonesty of those who run speed cameras? Shouldn't we demand the same competence and honesty from the government, as we do in any other area of safety engineering?

The decision has been made that speed limits are in the public interest, enforcement then becomes a necessity.
There is a second public interest question in relation to case disposal of those caught exceeding the limit & there is an established well trodden path with that. It's hardly a secret or surprise & is graduated with severity of offence.
Traffic Police numbers aren't tied to speed cameras, they are tied to budgets & they are steadily shrinking.

I'm not sure what dishonesty you are talking about.
Are they falsifying evidence against people who were not speeding?