Headbutted whilst working (Bus Driver)
Discussion
Ian Geary said:
Sorry to hear about your injury - completely unacceptable.
On the road, I use the indicator to signal an intention to manouvere.
From observing buses in South London however, it is oten used as a statement that the bus is going to manouevere, and everyone else better get out of the way!
On my bike I make a point of letting buses out (as I can then overtake easily) and I can totally accept the pressure bus drivers are under to keep to a timetable
Still, I don't think this problem will be solved until there is a mandatory IQ check as part of the driving test....
Ian
I'd think a psychological check more than IQ , nut jobs shouldn't have a licence On the road, I use the indicator to signal an intention to manouvere.
From observing buses in South London however, it is oten used as a statement that the bus is going to manouevere, and everyone else better get out of the way!
On my bike I make a point of letting buses out (as I can then overtake easily) and I can totally accept the pressure bus drivers are under to keep to a timetable
Still, I don't think this problem will be solved until there is a mandatory IQ check as part of the driving test....
Ian
And I agree with the point about bus drivers having a job to do, some people just can't let a bus out because they think it'll slow them down
They can't accept they're going nowhere fast anyway
IntriguedUser said:
So I was involved in a minor prang today, I pulled away from a bus stop, on a two-way single lane road, and a stupid prat in a Vauxhall Vectra was still trying to overtake, he had to cut in front off the bus as to not hit the opposing traffic. When we were both stationary his car was clearly still on the wrong side of the road.
From what you've written here the accident was your fault. I hate when buses seemly pull out without looking when you are half way through overtaking...No excuse for assault though!
No one tried to kill anyone. Bus drivers do a difficult job for rubbish pay. Sometimes they make mistakes. Some times others do. I assume that bus drivers are given timetable targets. They have to pull out into traffic. Sensible drivers of other vehicles let the bus out and don't get all oooh er must overtake.
Anyway, this thread is about an unprovoked assault on someone who was just doing his job, whether he was doing that job well or badly. It is not about who caused a collision. That is irrelevant to the assault.
Anyway, this thread is about an unprovoked assault on someone who was just doing his job, whether he was doing that job well or badly. It is not about who caused a collision. That is irrelevant to the assault.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 16th August 05:46
IntriguedUser said:
Try £370 a week after tax
Have absolutely no idea where he plugged that figure from, maybe he's on about tube drivers.
But tube drivers have a really complicated job, holding down a handle whilst simultaneously being able to tell red from green. As opposed to a bus driver who has it easy, negotiating a very big vehicle thru crowded city streets, dealing with the public, etc etc.Have absolutely no idea where he plugged that figure from, maybe he's on about tube drivers.
To be fair, tube drivers are also there to maintain situational awareness and deal with emergencies, including suicides, but bus drivers are still under paid given that their job is difficult and stressful. Tube drivers must be one of the last few groups of workers that have industrial relations muscle in the old style, and their pay partly reflects that.
Breadvan72 said:
To be fair, tube drivers are also there to maintain situational awareness and deal with emergencies, including suicides, but bus drivers are still under paid given that their job is difficult and stressful. Tube drivers must be one of the last few groups of workers that have industrial relations muscle in the old style, and their pay partly reflects that.
To be even fairer, they get a massive bonus for suicides.9mm said:
The fact the other guy was driving a Vectra doesn't inspire me with confidence he will have much in the way of assets.
How very dare you, I'll have you know my old man is both the owner of a very battered Vectra and at the same time a company director... ... Must confess though that unless Danny DeVito is your idea of Hercules, he's fails the powerfully built test.
herewego said:
Breadvan72 said:
To be fair, tube drivers are also there to maintain situational awareness and deal with emergencies, including suicides, but bus drivers are still under paid given that their job is difficult and stressful. Tube drivers must be one of the last few groups of workers that have industrial relations muscle in the old style, and their pay partly reflects that.
To be even fairer, they get a massive bonus for suicides.Joking apart, does anyone know what if anything a tube train driver is paid if he or she has to deal with a suicide when at work? I assume that the driver may get a few days off to cope with the trauma, and maybe gets referred to a counsellor if he or she wants that, or stuff like that, but I don't know what the drill is.
Breadvan72 said:
I only get a tiny bonus if I drive one of my clients to jump off a cliff. No fair! Where's my union?
Joking apart, does anyone know what if anything a tube train driver is paid if he or she has to deal with a suicide when at work? I assume that the driver may get a few days off to cope with the trauma, and maybe gets referred to a counsellor if he or she wants that, or stuff like that, but I don't know what the drill is.
I reckoned they get that stuff, plus a little sticker of a person that they can stick just below the side window of their cab. Alongside the other ones. I'm certain I've read there's a competition to see who can get the most. I can't remember whether Blinky or Ginger is top of the table right now. Joking apart, does anyone know what if anything a tube train driver is paid if he or she has to deal with a suicide when at work? I assume that the driver may get a few days off to cope with the trauma, and maybe gets referred to a counsellor if he or she wants that, or stuff like that, but I don't know what the drill is.
IntriguedUser said:
So I was involved in a minor prang today, .......and other stuff about being assaulted.
From my own personal experience (I was attacked by a bus driver) your union and London transport or whatever it is now will take out a private prosecution against the alleged assailant if the police don't. Even if the assailant is found not guilty you can go to the CICB and make a claim, CICB will call you both up for an interview, you can lie through your teeth if need be, and you will get compo. Bear in mind that the CICB will take into consideration the circumstances leading up to the attack so generalising on bus drivers and the way they pull out and what you have said it may not completely go your way. Go to your union in the first instance for advice.What piffle! The accident is completely irrelevant to the assault. The CICA applies criminal law rules as to provocation and self defence. Those rules could not possibly apply to the scenario stated here. For the 999999th time (but not the last time, no doubt), the accident is irrelevant to the assault.
This thread is an interesting example of how people allow their personal hostility to bus drivers as a group (an irrational hostility - you might as well say you dislike all greengrocers on principle because one once sold you a mouldy banana) to influence their views on what should happen after a bloke who was doing his job (ineptly or otherwise) was head butted by a goon.
This thread is an interesting example of how people allow their personal hostility to bus drivers as a group (an irrational hostility - you might as well say you dislike all greengrocers on principle because one once sold you a mouldy banana) to influence their views on what should happen after a bloke who was doing his job (ineptly or otherwise) was head butted by a goon.
Breadvan72 said:
What piffle! The accident is completely irrelevant to the assault. The CICA applies criminal law rules as to provocation and self defence. Those rules could not possibly apply to the scenario stated here. For the 999999th time (but not the last time, no doubt), the accident is irrelevant to the assault.
This thread is an interesting example of how people allow their personal hostility to bus drivers as a group (an irrational hostility - you might as well say you dislike all greengrocers on principle because one once sold you a mouldy banana) to influence their views on what should happen after a bloke who was doing his job (ineptly or otherwise) was head butted by a goon.
This thread is an interesting example of how people allow their personal hostility to bus drivers as a group (an irrational hostility - you might as well say you dislike all greengrocers on principle because one once sold you a mouldy banana) to influence their views on what should happen after a bloke who was doing his job (ineptly or otherwise) was head butted by a goon.
Breadvan72 said:
I only get a tiny bonus if I drive one of my clients to jump off a cliff. No fair! Where's my union?
Joking apart, does anyone know what if anything a tube train driver is paid if he or she has to deal with a suicide when at work? I assume that the driver may get a few days off to cope with the trauma, and maybe gets referred to a counsellor if he or she wants that, or stuff like that, but I don't know what the drill is.
There was a British Comedy about it a few years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_and_OutJoking apart, does anyone know what if anything a tube train driver is paid if he or she has to deal with a suicide when at work? I assume that the driver may get a few days off to cope with the trauma, and maybe gets referred to a counsellor if he or she wants that, or stuff like that, but I don't know what the drill is.
Breadvan72 said:
I only get a tiny bonus if I drive one of my clients to jump off a cliff. No fair! Where's my union?
Do you also get a mileage allowance! Just thinking that, if you're based in London, and your client fancies a cliff somewhere in Cornwall, you could be out of pocket.Just saying.....
Breadvan72 said:
No one tried to kill anyone. Bus drivers do a difficult job for rubbish pay. Sometimes they make mistakes. Some times others do. I assume that bus drivers are given timetable targets. They have to pull out into traffic. Sensible drivers of other vehicles let the bus out and don't get all oooh er must overtake.
Anyway, this thread is about an unprovoked assault on someone who was just doing his job, whether he was doing that job well or badly. It is not about who caused a collision. That is irrelevant to the assault.
They don't 'have' to pull out into traffic 'forcing' the other traffic to alter course/speed, they might 'choose' to however.Anyway, this thread is about an unprovoked assault on someone who was just doing his job, whether he was doing that job well or badly. It is not about who caused a collision. That is irrelevant to the assault.
They can if they wish put an indicator on & wait for a gap or until someone lets them out.
AndrewEH1 said:
IntriguedUser said:
So I was involved in a minor prang today, I pulled away from a bus stop, on a two-way single lane road, and a stupid prat in a Vauxhall Vectra was still trying to overtake, he had to cut in front off the bus as to not hit the opposing traffic. When we were both stationary his car was clearly still on the wrong side of the road.
From what you've written here the accident was your fault. I hate when buses seemly pull out without looking when you are half way through overtaking...No excuse for assault though!
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