Headbutted whilst working (Bus Driver)
Discussion
CaptainMorgan said:
vonhosen said:
Even if they haven't yet overtaken, they shouldn't have to alter course or speed because of you entering, that's the crux of it.
If they first yield to allow you out, that's fine, but you can't force the issue.
And 'Do not overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example when a road user is indicating right, even if you believe the signal should have been cancelled. Do not take a risk; wait for the signal to be cancelled'If they first yield to allow you out, that's fine, but you can't force the issue.
The bus has already entered, they're just overtaking now. If the bus just pulled straight out with a car alongside then I would be in agreement, but once the bus has pulled out, it's just a slow moving vehicle. There's only so far you can peddle the idea that another vehicles speed shouldn't be altered, it's a slow vehicle, at some point it will make someone slow down, it'd never pull away otherwise. Very rarely does a vehicle indicate to go round, in which case I'd say the bus isnt altering their course either, short of having a crystal ball to read their mind.
Whether they indicate or not is neither here nor there as far as you moving off is concerned. The proof is in the pudding of whether they are 'forced' to change course or speed or not. You can't just pull off & as soon as you have say 'I've entered so you're just overtaking now'. Just like a car can't pull out of a side road into the path of others & claim the same. If they 'have' to pass in order to not have to change speed, or they 'have' to change speed to avoid a collision it's forced on them. To what degree of course determines any action that may be taken where evidence is presented of it. As would have been the case on a PCV test.
If you've moved off & five cars have passed you that would tend to suggest you haven't picked an appropriate gap (as the OP said had happened to him). I say tend because we'd need to see all the evidence available to make a firm judgement.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 16th August 18:07
herewego said:
Breadvan72 said:
To be fair, tube drivers are also there to maintain situational awareness and deal with emergencies, including suicides, but bus drivers are still under paid given that their job is difficult and stressful. Tube drivers must be one of the last few groups of workers that have industrial relations muscle in the old style, and their pay partly reflects that.
To be even fairer, they get a massive bonus for suicides.Don't be daft.
Breadvan72 said:
herewego said:
Breadvan72 said:
To be fair, tube drivers are also there to maintain situational awareness and deal with emergencies, including suicides, but bus drivers are still under paid given that their job is difficult and stressful. Tube drivers must be one of the last few groups of workers that have industrial relations muscle in the old style, and their pay partly reflects that.
To be even fairer, they get a massive bonus for suicides.Joking apart, does anyone know what if anything a tube train driver is paid if he or she has to deal with a suicide when at work? I assume that the driver may get a few days off to cope with the trauma, and maybe gets referred to a counsellor if he or she wants that, or stuff like that, but I don't know what the drill is.
twister said:
Having witnessed some utterly mindless acts of motoring stupidity from other drivers in the vicinity of buses, it could also sound like the first 4 cars went past with VectraMan far enough behind them such that the gap justified the bus starting to pull out from the stop, but having then seen the bus start to move out in front of him, VectraMan didn't feel like sitting behind the bus and floored it to try creating an overtaking scenario where none realistically existed.
Twister,This is exactly the situation, I'm not very good at explaining things, and you did it for me!
I am very old and can remember when once upon a time this was a thread about a bloke who was head butted by a thug, before it became the usual "I HATEZ ORL BUZES" stuff. I note that a PH thing is to hate ALL other road users. Bikes, pedestrians, horses, buses, lorries, other cars, everyone. The poor put upon (car driving) motorist is always right (except for all the other t
ts in cars - they are always wrong).
When I said above that a bus has to pull out into traffic I did not mean that it has to barge out, but my comment was inevitably misread to that effect. The bus cannot sit at the stop all day. It has to pull out. There is usually a traffic flow past the stop. It would cost some of the passing company directors mere seconds to allow a bus out, but they have to get to their very important meetings.
OP, do not be deterred by all the nonsense on this thread. Push for the assault to be properly investigated. This isn't about compo, but about seeing that a violent thug is dealt with in such a way that he might just think twice before assaulting the next person he has a road traffic prang with. Besides, driving a Vectra is a huge crime in itself.
ts in cars - they are always wrong).When I said above that a bus has to pull out into traffic I did not mean that it has to barge out, but my comment was inevitably misread to that effect. The bus cannot sit at the stop all day. It has to pull out. There is usually a traffic flow past the stop. It would cost some of the passing company directors mere seconds to allow a bus out, but they have to get to their very important meetings.
OP, do not be deterred by all the nonsense on this thread. Push for the assault to be properly investigated. This isn't about compo, but about seeing that a violent thug is dealt with in such a way that he might just think twice before assaulting the next person he has a road traffic prang with. Besides, driving a Vectra is a huge crime in itself.
Sorry, that sounded like a really pernickitty post. Wasn't meant that way, I'm just musing over my lunch.
Although, a quick google shows that both the Brit word and it's Indian root beth suggest someone either violent, or an historical assassin. So probably more violent than the mouthy little gobste you get at the back of a pub brawl who doesn't actually join in.
Sorry, OT of me. Crack on one and all.
Although, a quick google shows that both the Brit word and it's Indian root beth suggest someone either violent, or an historical assassin. So probably more violent than the mouthy little gobs
te you get at the back of a pub brawl who doesn't actually join in. Sorry, OT of me. Crack on one and all.
The devil is in the detail and without being there we can't really judge but in general:
I don't buy this idea that the bus will be stuck there forever if it doesn't indicate and move. This is the same argument put forward by people who poke their nose out into a main road obstructing the traffic flow to effectively force their way out. Or people who will barge in at a lane closure point (where their lane is closing) instead of coming to a halt, indicating and waiting for someone to let them in. They might not get out/in as quickly as they'd like, but they will get out/in. This is particularly true of buses in my experience, especially when traffic is busy anyway.
Unfortunately, many bus drivers replicate what many car drivers do, which is to manoeuvre then indicate or do the two simultaneously. In other words the indication is purely cursory and means "I'm going to" not "I'd like to".
I don't buy this idea that the bus will be stuck there forever if it doesn't indicate and move. This is the same argument put forward by people who poke their nose out into a main road obstructing the traffic flow to effectively force their way out. Or people who will barge in at a lane closure point (where their lane is closing) instead of coming to a halt, indicating and waiting for someone to let them in. They might not get out/in as quickly as they'd like, but they will get out/in. This is particularly true of buses in my experience, especially when traffic is busy anyway.
Unfortunately, many bus drivers replicate what many car drivers do, which is to manoeuvre then indicate or do the two simultaneously. In other words the indication is purely cursory and means "I'm going to" not "I'd like to".
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Who cares about the circumstances of the accident? He was head butted by a complete scumbag. Even if the bus had hit a parked car it doesn't excuse a violent assault. So I'm not sure why there is even a discussion going on about who was to blame for the crash.
Because the crash not excusing a violent assault was established on the first page but some people find it interesting to discuss whether 'pulling out with your indicator on or you'd be waiting all day' is acceptable or legal.Quinny said:
9mm said:
I agree with BV. The fact the other guy was driving a Vectra doesn't inspire me with confidence he will have much in the way of assets.
Only on PH 
Further clues to the assailant's worth can be found in his behaviour. As a general rule, people with something to lose and driving an old knacker, don't have form for nutting random strangers.
I deal with CICA claims and the threshold is very high in respect of what injuries you can receive an award for- for example, you would get £1.000 for damage to one or more teeth which requires a crown.
A disabling neck injury which lasts for more than 13 weeks would receive an award of £1,000. You would have to make sure that you attended your GP and/or dentist several times to show evidence of your injuries and any treatment recieved.
Any lesser injury than above you would not be able to claim an award for (they are a government body for 'victims of innocent crimes' and any money you receive is called an award.)
Any damages could be reduced if you have a criminal record (I assume you don't being a bus driver though) and you have to have co-operated with the police.
You can make the claim yourself, its pretty easy but take some time.
I would generally not sue an individual directly without finding out if they have money - a Land Registry check will show if they own their property.
Assuming he is charged with GBH, the Court may award you some damages, but again this may take some time.
A disabling neck injury which lasts for more than 13 weeks would receive an award of £1,000. You would have to make sure that you attended your GP and/or dentist several times to show evidence of your injuries and any treatment recieved.
Any lesser injury than above you would not be able to claim an award for (they are a government body for 'victims of innocent crimes' and any money you receive is called an award.)
Any damages could be reduced if you have a criminal record (I assume you don't being a bus driver though) and you have to have co-operated with the police.
You can make the claim yourself, its pretty easy but take some time.
I would generally not sue an individual directly without finding out if they have money - a Land Registry check will show if they own their property.
Assuming he is charged with GBH, the Court may award you some damages, but again this may take some time.
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