I'm in court tomorrow.. What do I wear??
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LoonR1 said:
Issi said:
LoonR1 said:
Issi said:
But common sense and a tiny bit of dignity would have him turning up smart and not looking like he'd been dipped in glue and thrown through an Oxfam shop window.
Hmmmmmm, I wonder if wearing something like black jeans, shirt and a smart jacket and black smart boots would do. You know, just as he posted right at the start. I think that you've got the issue here.
LoonR1 said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Seeing as they called you in could you go in say fancy dress, could they do anything.
Why would any sane person ask that question?Edited by PAULJ5555 on Friday 21st August 12:17
PAULJ5555 said:
LoonR1 said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Seeing as they called you in could you go in say fancy dress, could they do anything.
Why would any sane person ask that question?Edited by PAULJ5555 on Friday 21st August 12:17
PAULJ5555 said:
LoonR1 said:
PAULJ5555 said:
Seeing as they called you in could you go in say fancy dress, could they do anything.
Why would any sane person ask that question?Edited by PAULJ5555 on Friday 21st August 12:17
anonymous said:
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Obviously wrong as regards defendants. It is a matter of respect to dress smartly on important occasions. A defendant who can't be bothered to show any respect for the court is hardly likely to be telling the truth when he says he's a changed man and will never do anything wrong again, etc. etc. Highly relevant to sentencing.You may as well argue that you shouldn't bother to dress smartly for an interview.
ORD said:
Obviously wrong as regards defendants. It is a matter of respect to dress smartly on important occasions. A defendant who can't be bothered to show any respect for the court is hardly likely to be telling the truth when he says he's a changed man and will never do anything wrong again, etc. etc. Highly relevant to sentencing.
You may as well argue that you shouldn't bother to dress smartly for an interview.
So if a witness can't be bothered then he should be believed, but if a defendant can't be bothered he should not be believed? Both are being judged in court, how they appear will have a bearing in both cases. You may as well argue that you shouldn't bother to dress smartly for an interview.
anonymous said:
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Spend a few days in a criminal court. You'll soon notice an extremely strong correlation between dressing casually and having no respect whatsoever for the justice system and/or victims.If people can't even be bothered to respect a judge, what chance they abide by laws when they might not get caught? Authority is authority and it makes the rules. Playing by them is part of growing up.
Day-to-day we ALL judge people by their attire, and for very good reason. A person's chooses tell you things about him, and he chose his clothing. If someone wears a pin-striped suit, I start with a presumption that's he's a bit of a knob. Easily rebutted, of course, but it's perfectly sensible and normal. People choose clothes to make statements, and we just hear them and make judgments on them.
ORD said:
If people can't even be bothered to respect a judge, what chance they abide by laws when they might not get caught?
From the link that agtlaws post "People need to show respect and one of the ways that can be done is by turning up reasonably smartly dressed.”I can obviously see what you are saying, but respect is earned.
Reading the Daily Angry over the last few years leaves me wondering if the Judges live on a different planet from the rest of us from their sentencing/releasing of total scum.
My respect for them and the legal system would equal my oily jeans and sweatshirt when working on the cars.
Edit to say, cmoose said it better than i could.
ORD said:
Spend a few days in a criminal court. You'll soon notice an extremely strong correlation between dressing casually and having no respect whatsoever for the justice system and/or victims.
If people can't even be bothered to respect a judge, what chance they abide by laws when they might not get caught? Authority is authority and it makes the rules. Playing by them is part of growing up.
Day-to-day we ALL judge people by their attire, and for very good reason. A person's chooses tell you things about him, and he chose his clothing. If someone wears a pin-striped suit, I start with a presumption that's he's a bit of a knob. Easily rebutted, of course, but it's perfectly sensible and normal. People choose clothes to make statements, and we just hear them and make judgments on them.
What a load of rubbish. Spend a few days in criminal court and you will see people dressed in all sorts of clothes who do not respect the justice system. I'm going to be controversial here... The vast majority of people in court are guilty. The vast vast majority. They still deserve a trial if they wish. How you dress has no determination of if you are guilty or not. Plenty of very nasty and evil people will wear a suit to court. If people can't even be bothered to respect a judge, what chance they abide by laws when they might not get caught? Authority is authority and it makes the rules. Playing by them is part of growing up.
Day-to-day we ALL judge people by their attire, and for very good reason. A person's chooses tell you things about him, and he chose his clothing. If someone wears a pin-striped suit, I start with a presumption that's he's a bit of a knob. Easily rebutted, of course, but it's perfectly sensible and normal. People choose clothes to make statements, and we just hear them and make judgments on them.
Out of interest what did Nelson Mandelas clothes tell you about him? What does a Judges clothes tell you about him? They are both ridiculous in my opinion but that doesn't mean the people are ridiculous.
Some people do not have smart clothes. A homeless person is unlikely to have smart clothes. They will wear what they have, or what is given to them by the police/prison. Should they be judged differently?
photosnob said:
What a load of rubbish. Spend a few days in criminal court and you will see people dressed in all sorts of clothes who do not respect the justice system. I'm going to be controversial here... The vast majority of people in court are guilty. The vast vast majority. They still deserve a trial if they wish. How you dress has no determination of if you are guilty or not. Plenty of very nasty and evil people will wear a suit to court.
Out of interest what did Nelson Mandelas clothes tell you about him? What does a Judges clothes tell you about him? They are both ridiculous in my opinion but that doesn't mean the people are ridiculous.
Some people do not have smart clothes. A homeless person is unlikely to have smart clothes. They will wear what they have, or what is given to them by the police/prison. Should they be judged differently?
You're deluded if you don't think we judge people by how they dress.Out of interest what did Nelson Mandelas clothes tell you about him? What does a Judges clothes tell you about him? They are both ridiculous in my opinion but that doesn't mean the people are ridiculous.
Some people do not have smart clothes. A homeless person is unlikely to have smart clothes. They will wear what they have, or what is given to them by the police/prison. Should they be judged differently?
This is PH - check out how much we judge people by the car that they choose to drive! Clothes are far more personal, and we make all sorts of judgments on the basis of clothing.
A guy knocks on your door wearing tracksuit bottoms, a vest and loads of tattoos. Are you saying you wouldn't feel differently from how you would if he was smartly dressed?
This place is full of people trying to sound 'right on' at times.
Harpo said:
From the link that agtlaws post "People need to show respect and one of the ways that can be done is by turning up reasonably smartly dressed.”
I can obviously see what you are saying, but respect is earned.
Reading the Daily Angry over the last few years leaves me wondering if the Judges live on a different planet from the rest of us from their sentencing/releasing of total scum.
My respect for them and the legal system would equal my oily jeans and sweatshirt when working on the cars.
Edit to say, cmoose said it better than i could.
The Judge doesn't have to earn your respect. He's the fI can obviously see what you are saying, but respect is earned.
Reading the Daily Angry over the last few years leaves me wondering if the Judges live on a different planet from the rest of us from their sentencing/releasing of total scum.
My respect for them and the legal system would equal my oily jeans and sweatshirt when working on the cars.
Edit to say, cmoose said it better than i could.
king judge. He's given up a proper income to serve his country, and he deserves respect by default.This is the kind of nonsense that has children swearing at teachers because the teacher has to earn their respect. Childish mentality.
ORD said:
You're deluded if you don't think we judge people by how they dress.
This is PH - check out how much we judge people by the car that they choose to drive! Clothes are far more personal, and we make all sorts of judgments on the basis of clothing.
A guy knocks on your door wearing tracksuit bottoms, a vest and loads of tattoos. Are you saying you wouldn't feel differently from how you would if he was smartly dressed?
This place is full of people trying to sound 'right on' at times.
I have never said (nor would I) that people are not judged. I am well aware they are. I'm saying that any correlation between how someone dresses and how guilty they are is rubbish. Pure rubbish. This is PH - check out how much we judge people by the car that they choose to drive! Clothes are far more personal, and we make all sorts of judgments on the basis of clothing.
A guy knocks on your door wearing tracksuit bottoms, a vest and loads of tattoos. Are you saying you wouldn't feel differently from how you would if he was smartly dressed?
This place is full of people trying to sound 'right on' at times.
In response to your question - if someone knocked on my door unannounced it would not matter how they were dressed. I'd be telling them to clear off. If I'd invited someone to my home I wouldn't care what they looked like. That is just me.
photosnob said:
I have never said (nor would I) that people are not judged. I am well aware they are. I'm saying that any correlation between how someone dresses and how guilty they are is rubbish. Pure rubbish.
In response to your question - if someone knocked on my door unannounced it would not matter how they were dressed. I'd be telling them to clear off. If I'd invited someone to my home I wouldn't care what they looked like. That is just me.
I never said that there was any such correlation In response to your question - if someone knocked on my door unannounced it would not matter how they were dressed. I'd be telling them to clear off. If I'd invited someone to my home I wouldn't care what they looked like. That is just me.
They're almost all guilty anyway...My own recent experience of court and people's dress was sitting on a jury in a multiple rape case last month.
On my first day in court I was in trousers and shirt (I decided against a suit based on what others told me of their jury service experience). By the third day I was in jeans and a plain t-shirt which was pretty much the same attire as the other 11.
The defendant wore smart clothing some days, jeans and shirt others.
He could have been wearing whatever he wanted, he was still guilty and he was given 24 years last week.
We had witnesses in varying dress from a guy for the prosecution in a hoody, and jeans that needed pulling up, to one of the victims dressed as if ready for a night out clubbing, complete with short skirt and very high heels.
I really don't think anyone's attire had any bearing whatsoever on the case.
Incidentally, the judge was absolutely great and had everyone's attention and respect from the start.
On my first day in court I was in trousers and shirt (I decided against a suit based on what others told me of their jury service experience). By the third day I was in jeans and a plain t-shirt which was pretty much the same attire as the other 11.
The defendant wore smart clothing some days, jeans and shirt others.
He could have been wearing whatever he wanted, he was still guilty and he was given 24 years last week.
We had witnesses in varying dress from a guy for the prosecution in a hoody, and jeans that needed pulling up, to one of the victims dressed as if ready for a night out clubbing, complete with short skirt and very high heels.
I really don't think anyone's attire had any bearing whatsoever on the case.
Incidentally, the judge was absolutely great and had everyone's attention and respect from the start.
anonymous said:
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Defendant claims to be genuinely remorseful and to have learnt his lesson etc (or, in other words, can repeat what his solicitor tells him to say) but can't be bothered to make an effort to look smart and with due regard to the formality of the occasion. Not a good start to looking like he gives a s
t and means what he says.I am not saying that I would take this kinda thing much into account, but to depend that clothes don't matter is just silly.
If clothes didn't matter, we would all be scruffy all the time.
anonymous said:
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Why bother with any kind of uniform? Why have any professionals wear suits? Why dress well for a date?
It's all social codes and we provide information by how we look.
I'm not saying I would attach much weight to anyone's dress (because they provide lots more important information in other ways), but to pretend that your clothes don't send messages is just silly.
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