P.E parking ticket Scotland
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Hi guys, another parking ticket thread.
Had a "fine" for £100 (reduced to £60), for 20 mins over stay in supermarket car park.
Wifes car so fine sent to her, mitigating circumstances....two kids flaffing around.
Whats the script with PE in Scotland? Some say pay some say naw.
Is it a/ bin it. b/ get the wife to reply saying she wasnt driving, or c/ write the supermarket.
I've told her to bin it, but dont want endless letters or court etc...
Cheers
Marcus
Had a "fine" for £100 (reduced to £60), for 20 mins over stay in supermarket car park.
Wifes car so fine sent to her, mitigating circumstances....two kids flaffing around.
Whats the script with PE in Scotland? Some say pay some say naw.
Is it a/ bin it. b/ get the wife to reply saying she wasnt driving, or c/ write the supermarket.
I've told her to bin it, but dont want endless letters or court etc...
Cheers
Marcus
iN sCOTLAND THE rEGISTERED kEEPER LIABILITY POSSIBILITIES DONT APPLY SO SHE HAS JUST TO WRITE BACK TO SAY SHE WASNT DRIVING AT THE TIME,AND TO CONTACT THE DRIVER...BUT DONT SAY WHO IT IS. tHERE IS no OBLIGATION TO (oops damn caps lock) to tell them who is driving, no matter what they say!
Second poster is correct. No PoFA keeper liability north of the border. Only the driver can be pursued so the PPC needs that person's name.
A DVLA request can only give the RK details so that won't provide what the PPC needs. If you ignore the confetti it is in a hole.
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/scotland/drivers-...
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/scotland/the-cour...
Different PPC so it remains to be seen whether PE will chance their arm.
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/driv...
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/uk-p...
In E&W there are plenty of cases where the PPC has refused to do so. It depends on the terms of the contract with the retailer.
The PPC may be under no obligation whatsoever to cancel its 'invoice' to the motorist.
A DVLA request can only give the RK details so that won't provide what the PPC needs. If you ignore the confetti it is in a hole.
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/scotland/drivers-...
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/scotland/the-cour...
Different PPC so it remains to be seen whether PE will chance their arm.
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/driv...
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/uk-p...
Pontoneer said:
Even simpler , if she WAS shopping there , contact the supermarket and they will generally quash it .
That is another option but if the PPC won't play ball you may risk having inadvertently disclosed the driver's name. In E&W there are plenty of cases where the PPC has refused to do so. It depends on the terms of the contract with the retailer.
The PPC may be under no obligation whatsoever to cancel its 'invoice' to the motorist.
Pontoneer said:
Even simpler , if she WAS shopping there , contact the supermarket and they will generally quash it .
problem with that is if supermarket rejects it, the supermarket ( and PARKING Co)have a name. What has worked for one local lady ( and this is in England) was for her to write to local paper. She's (in this case) ,spent some time in a queue at the in store cafe, then had a leisurely shop. Put shopping in to car and then looked in to other stores on the same site. Result 20 minutes over, as per ANPR. She wrote into local paper to make others aware and Asda local staff panicked and wrote back to go in and have ticket quashed. Obviously, you/wife write in in pen name with decent reason ( met old school chum and chatted for longer than expected etc),and I'll bet supermarket writes in to paper advising you to go in and let their friendly customer service staff kill this ticket. Great- take it in,but keep a copy of reply as evidence,so that supermarket advice is followed through. Hi,
Had a similar "fine" at a supermarket in Aberdeen. Got a letter with a pic of my car. Ignored it. Got a second one. Ignored it. Never heard anything since.
Through my own research, I'm pretty sure it is actually illegal in Scotland for these 3rd party parking companies to be given your details by the DVLA.
Funny enough my "fine" says if it was not the named keeper of the car driving you must tell us who it is. FAQ off.
Their websites will say the have been successful in court etc but even if 20% of folk pay up they prob still make a load.
Had a similar "fine" at a supermarket in Aberdeen. Got a letter with a pic of my car. Ignored it. Got a second one. Ignored it. Never heard anything since.
Through my own research, I'm pretty sure it is actually illegal in Scotland for these 3rd party parking companies to be given your details by the DVLA.
Funny enough my "fine" says if it was not the named keeper of the car driving you must tell us who it is. FAQ off.
Their websites will say the have been successful in court etc but even if 20% of folk pay up they prob still make a load.
I have had one say
lieing parking scumbags said:
f you do not provide details of the driver by the date shown above, we will continue to contact you for payment of the parking charge on the assumption that as the registered keeper you were also the driver of the vehicle (as established in Elliott v Loake [1982]).
Complete crap of course, I called them on it & havent heard since.And in Scotland they can only sue for lost revenue which, if there was only one other empty space in the car park, would be NIL. So they won't take you to court as it would cost them loads to recover nothing!
Sheer bliss - and to think we banned wheel clamps too (except for Police & DVLA). Thankfully, it came under our Extortion laws.
Sheer bliss - and to think we banned wheel clamps too (except for Police & DVLA). Thankfully, it came under our Extortion laws.
HantsRat said:
babo456 said:
Through my own research, I'm pretty sure it is actually illegal in Scotland for these 3rd party parking companies to be given your details by the DVLA.
How did they write to you then if they couldn't get the RK details from the DVLA? PPCs (e.g. PE) submit requests electronically in bulk. The DVLA doesn't check each and every individual application in the batch.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least to discover that the DVLA doesn't have any filter to screen out those with an address in Scotland.
OP - ignore it. You'll get 3 or 4 reminders at most, each one threatening all sorts of hysterical "court action" all of which is utter b
ks in Scotland.
Don't bother writing/appealing you're just wasting your time and they'll refuse the appeal and send you even more crap.
Let us know the name of the company and I can probably send you copies of letters from my collection.
ks in Scotland.Don't bother writing/appealing you're just wasting your time and they'll refuse the appeal and send you even more crap.
Let us know the name of the company and I can probably send you copies of letters from my collection.
Red Devil said:
The previous poster is not saying the PPC couldn't get it. He is saying the DVLA shouldn't provide it. A quite different kettle.
PPCs (e.g. PE) submit requests electronically in bulk. The DVLA doesn't check each and every individual application in the batch.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least to discover that the DVLA doesn't have any filter to screen out those with an address in Scotland.
Because the company is based in England, DVLA will simply assume the penalty charge is raised there. Unfortunately for the parking company, Scots Law over-rules no matter where the company is registered.PPCs (e.g. PE) submit requests electronically in bulk. The DVLA doesn't check each and every individual application in the batch.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least to discover that the DVLA doesn't have any filter to screen out those with an address in Scotland.
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