Another NIP - A depressing experience
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Pete317 said:
Well, newly-qualified drivers - those who have just passed the test - are not exactly under-represented in the accident statistics now, are they?
Not quite true. Younger drivers are certainly over represented, and many of them are new to driving. But older drivers who have just passed their test hardly figure much above experienced older drivers.Get an online quote for a 19 y/o with a full licence 2 yrs, and then change the details to a 50 y/o who passed yesterday, and see how the premium drops.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
wilwak said:
I've often thought that looking at my speedo whilst driving is quite dangerous. I really should be 100% focussed on the road!
When driving along a wide clear quiet 30 limit road I spend a disproportionate of my time looking at the speedo.
Wow! I'm able to get to a desired speed, and then maintain it without referring to the speedo at all. And I'm not a driving genius.When driving along a wide clear quiet 30 limit road I spend a disproportionate of my time looking at the speedo.
But there's no real need to know your exact numerical speed - other than for licence and wallet preservation purposes.
Edited by Pete317 on Monday 31st August 13:08
TwigtheWonderkid said:
wilwak said:
I've often thought that looking at my speedo whilst driving is quite dangerous. I really should be 100% focussed on the road!
When driving along a wide clear quiet 30 limit road I spend a disproportionate of my time looking at the speedo.
Wow! I'm able to get to a desired speed, and then maintain it without referring to the speedo at all. And I'm not a driving genius.When driving along a wide clear quiet 30 limit road I spend a disproportionate of my time looking at the speedo.
But there's no real need to know your exact numerical speed - other than for licence and wallet preservation purposes.
Edited by Pete317 on Monday 31st August 13:11
goneape said:
I'll no doubt get criticised for this point of view but I can see where the OP is coming from.
Nearly 3 years ago I picked up 3 points in Wales. The wife and I were having a long weekend driving and walking in Wales as a sort of last hurrah before she became too pregnant for that sort of thing. We spent 4 days going from the Severn crossing to Great Orme, taking mainly back routes so we could stop and walk and generally enjoy it, and also enjoy some fairly demanding driving without exceeding speed limits. Over the 4 days we didn't break a limit by more than a couple of mph, and had a really nice time. On the sunday we drove back taking the A5, and I got pinged by a mobile van on the 3-lane Dinmael stretch at 80 mph (recorded speed), mid-overtake (having followed the gent for 10-15 miles and 20 mins or so, doing the 35-40 mph plod that we hear about very often).
So I was bang to rights and took the £60 penalty and 3 points, and it didn't actually affect my insurance at all. No increase in premium, anyway. I was reminded to move even further offside and take a good look for vans, especially at prime overtaking locations. What annoyed me was this:
During the overtake, I was followed closely by another gent. There were two oncomers, one was past by the time I moved out to the launch position, the other was distant and not involved. Of the three cars involved, there was me exceeding the limit temporarily while completing the pass; the overtakee who had accelerated during the pass, either out of ignorance or a deliberate attempt to block; and the guy tailgating me during an overtake while speeding.
If we are to believe that the cameras are for safety, how is it justifiable that the person temporarily speeding during an overtake, on a stretch of road designed to facilitate overtaking, gets penalised - rightly, I can accept - but the other two don't? One who is either not cooperating with an overtake or not paying attention, and one who is both speeding and tailgating?
I've not done a course so can't comment on that, but do have some empathy with the guy for getting nabbed for a temporary transgression, especially when others around at the same time were doing the same or worse.
As Mr Dennis may put it, where's the consistency?
I can't help but think if the chap was doing 35-40 mph, why on earth did you have to go all the way up to 80 to get passed him?Nearly 3 years ago I picked up 3 points in Wales. The wife and I were having a long weekend driving and walking in Wales as a sort of last hurrah before she became too pregnant for that sort of thing. We spent 4 days going from the Severn crossing to Great Orme, taking mainly back routes so we could stop and walk and generally enjoy it, and also enjoy some fairly demanding driving without exceeding speed limits. Over the 4 days we didn't break a limit by more than a couple of mph, and had a really nice time. On the sunday we drove back taking the A5, and I got pinged by a mobile van on the 3-lane Dinmael stretch at 80 mph (recorded speed), mid-overtake (having followed the gent for 10-15 miles and 20 mins or so, doing the 35-40 mph plod that we hear about very often).
So I was bang to rights and took the £60 penalty and 3 points, and it didn't actually affect my insurance at all. No increase in premium, anyway. I was reminded to move even further offside and take a good look for vans, especially at prime overtaking locations. What annoyed me was this:
During the overtake, I was followed closely by another gent. There were two oncomers, one was past by the time I moved out to the launch position, the other was distant and not involved. Of the three cars involved, there was me exceeding the limit temporarily while completing the pass; the overtakee who had accelerated during the pass, either out of ignorance or a deliberate attempt to block; and the guy tailgating me during an overtake while speeding.
If we are to believe that the cameras are for safety, how is it justifiable that the person temporarily speeding during an overtake, on a stretch of road designed to facilitate overtaking, gets penalised - rightly, I can accept - but the other two don't? One who is either not cooperating with an overtake or not paying attention, and one who is both speeding and tailgating?
I've not done a course so can't comment on that, but do have some empathy with the guy for getting nabbed for a temporary transgression, especially when others around at the same time were doing the same or worse.
As Mr Dennis may put it, where's the consistency?
eccles said:
I can't help but think if the chap was doing 35-40 mph, why on earth did you have to go all the way up to 80 to get passed him?
goneape said:
...the overtakee who had accelerated during the pass, either out of ignorance or a deliberate attempt to block...
^ThisPeople who attempt to thwart an overtake, once underway, should be charged with DD
Edited by Pete317 on Monday 31st August 15:11
eccles said:
turbobloke said:
It would reduce TED for sure!
Or,playing devils advocate, it could increase the danger. 
anonymous said:
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Ha. It may be easy to listen to the engine note in a one litre ford ka.Try it in a Supercharged 5 litre Jaguar XJ where there is virtually no engine note at 30mph.
Foot spends more time off the accelerator than on it to maintain 30mph.
It's very easy to creep up to 40mph without keeping one eye on the speedo.
I drive a mixture of 13 cars with varying powers and noises. Speedo watching in 30mph zones is essential.
He he he. I thought that too!
I have wondered whether excessive looking at the speedo to ensure compliance with 30mph limits on wide open roads could be considered as driving without due care and attention. :-)
Given the number of speed cameras on the roads these days I thought it was normal to drive looking at the speedo whilst grabbing the odd glimpse of the road every now and then. :-/
Yes. I have developed Anti-NIP Paranoia! :-0
I have wondered whether excessive looking at the speedo to ensure compliance with 30mph limits on wide open roads could be considered as driving without due care and attention. :-)
Given the number of speed cameras on the roads these days I thought it was normal to drive looking at the speedo whilst grabbing the odd glimpse of the road every now and then. :-/
Yes. I have developed Anti-NIP Paranoia! :-0
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