Sold a Car that has broken down HELP ASAP
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Anyways Danny tell him to b
ks I wouldn't trust his independent garage as far as I could throw them u know the garage I used on my corsa zlet that even passed its mot with its decat and other stuff cos I knew them!
Wouldn't trust anyone as far as I can throw them I'd certainly get it to a Honda specialist or a main dealer of your choosing as this guy sounds like he's going to rip the arse out of u
ks I wouldn't trust his independent garage as far as I could throw them u know the garage I used on my corsa zlet that even passed its mot with its decat and other stuff cos I knew them!Wouldn't trust anyone as far as I can throw them I'd certainly get it to a Honda specialist or a main dealer of your choosing as this guy sounds like he's going to rip the arse out of u
Feel for the OP as a similar thing happened to me back in April...
I sold a lovely Mk1 Fabia vRS to an enthusiast on the Briskoda Forum.
The car was in lovely condition and, as far as I knew, drove without fault. In fact, after spending a week detailing it, servicing it and general obsessive fettling I was almost moved to keep it!
I wanted a quick sale, so took some very detailed pics, wrote a full description and pitched it as the lowest priced car in the country for the miles and condition.
Drove the car to a potential purchaser who seemed a really nice chap - he inspected it and took it for a drive. I was a little concerned as to how hard to drove it - giving it a good ragging - something I've never done (honest). He agreed to buy, but I'd forgotten the spare key, so he deducted £100 off and said bring it tomorrow to get the £100 back.
So...I get the spare key back to him and we go for a coffee. then he drops the bombshell that the thinks the car is a lemon and he's bought a dud! Worse still, he's stated so on the owners' forum, saying there's a major engine fault with it. Apparently, he took it out for another drive with his dad later that night, and discovered some worrying rattling noises that he thought was the turbo about to die. This time, he gave the car even more of a workout/ragging - which he admitted.
He didn't ask for money back immediately, but withheld the £100 deposit despite getting the spare key, and he was putting pressure on me to agree to pay for any remedial work at a specialist. I stated that I'd always driven the car considerately, the car had a full service history and was cherished and cared for with no expense spared. It was sold as all good and he'd had ample opportunity to inspect it. He agreed that I knew nothing of any supposed faults and my driving style would be unlikely to reveal them anyway (thanks!).
In the end, the specialist garage dismissed his concerns and said it was fine, perhaps just needing some hoses replacing or tightening, and nothing to fear. All the forum posters said the same, and berated him for being vague and picky, making a mountain out of a molehill. Nevertheless, he'd lost confidence in it and eventually sold it at a big loss a week later, before going on to buy a new car £14000 more expensive! He'd spent another £500 on the car with new brakes and fancy tyres - I was again tempted to buy it back off him!
I got my £100 back and never heard from him ever again...
I sold a lovely Mk1 Fabia vRS to an enthusiast on the Briskoda Forum.
The car was in lovely condition and, as far as I knew, drove without fault. In fact, after spending a week detailing it, servicing it and general obsessive fettling I was almost moved to keep it!
I wanted a quick sale, so took some very detailed pics, wrote a full description and pitched it as the lowest priced car in the country for the miles and condition.
Drove the car to a potential purchaser who seemed a really nice chap - he inspected it and took it for a drive. I was a little concerned as to how hard to drove it - giving it a good ragging - something I've never done (honest). He agreed to buy, but I'd forgotten the spare key, so he deducted £100 off and said bring it tomorrow to get the £100 back.
So...I get the spare key back to him and we go for a coffee. then he drops the bombshell that the thinks the car is a lemon and he's bought a dud! Worse still, he's stated so on the owners' forum, saying there's a major engine fault with it. Apparently, he took it out for another drive with his dad later that night, and discovered some worrying rattling noises that he thought was the turbo about to die. This time, he gave the car even more of a workout/ragging - which he admitted.
He didn't ask for money back immediately, but withheld the £100 deposit despite getting the spare key, and he was putting pressure on me to agree to pay for any remedial work at a specialist. I stated that I'd always driven the car considerately, the car had a full service history and was cherished and cared for with no expense spared. It was sold as all good and he'd had ample opportunity to inspect it. He agreed that I knew nothing of any supposed faults and my driving style would be unlikely to reveal them anyway (thanks!).
In the end, the specialist garage dismissed his concerns and said it was fine, perhaps just needing some hoses replacing or tightening, and nothing to fear. All the forum posters said the same, and berated him for being vague and picky, making a mountain out of a molehill. Nevertheless, he'd lost confidence in it and eventually sold it at a big loss a week later, before going on to buy a new car £14000 more expensive! He'd spent another £500 on the car with new brakes and fancy tyres - I was again tempted to buy it back off him!
I got my £100 back and never heard from him ever again...
mellowman said:
Feel for the OP as a similar thing happened to me back in April...
I sold a lovely Mk1 Fabia vRS to an enthusiast on the Briskoda Forum.
The car was in lovely condition and, as far as I knew, drove without fault. In fact, after spending a week detailing it, servicing it and general obsessive fettling I was almost moved to keep it!
I wanted a quick sale, so took some very detailed pics, wrote a full description and pitched it as the lowest priced car in the country for the miles and condition.
Drove the car to a potential purchaser who seemed a really nice chap - he inspected it and took it for a drive. I was a little concerned as to how hard to drove it - giving it a good ragging - something I've never done (honest). He agreed to buy, but I'd forgotten the spare key, so he deducted £100 off and said bring it tomorrow to get the £100 back.
So...I get the spare key back to him and we go for a coffee. then he drops the bombshell that the thinks the car is a lemon and he's bought a dud! Worse still, he's stated so on the owners' forum, saying there's a major engine fault with it. Apparently, he took it out for another drive with his dad later that night, and discovered some worrying rattling noises that he thought was the turbo about to die. This time, he gave the car even more of a workout/ragging - which he admitted.
He didn't ask for money back immediately, but withheld the £100 deposit despite getting the spare key, and he was putting pressure on me to agree to pay for any remedial work at a specialist. I stated that I'd always driven the car considerately, the car had a full service history and was cherished and cared for with no expense spared. It was sold as all good and he'd had ample opportunity to inspect it. He agreed that I knew nothing of any supposed faults and my driving style would be unlikely to reveal them anyway (thanks!).
In the end, the specialist garage dismissed his concerns and said it was fine, perhaps just needing some hoses replacing or tightening, and nothing to fear. All the forum posters said the same, and berated him for being vague and picky, making a mountain out of a molehill. Nevertheless, he'd lost confidence in it and eventually sold it at a big loss a week later, before going on to buy a new car £14000 more expensive! He'd spent another £500 on the car with new brakes and fancy tyres - I was again tempted to buy it back off him!
I got my £100 back and never heard from him ever again...
What an odd chap. I'm glad it got resolved peacefully. Always fancied a Mk1 VRS, the PD130 is a peach. I just could never get over the interior I sold a lovely Mk1 Fabia vRS to an enthusiast on the Briskoda Forum.
The car was in lovely condition and, as far as I knew, drove without fault. In fact, after spending a week detailing it, servicing it and general obsessive fettling I was almost moved to keep it!
I wanted a quick sale, so took some very detailed pics, wrote a full description and pitched it as the lowest priced car in the country for the miles and condition.
Drove the car to a potential purchaser who seemed a really nice chap - he inspected it and took it for a drive. I was a little concerned as to how hard to drove it - giving it a good ragging - something I've never done (honest). He agreed to buy, but I'd forgotten the spare key, so he deducted £100 off and said bring it tomorrow to get the £100 back.
So...I get the spare key back to him and we go for a coffee. then he drops the bombshell that the thinks the car is a lemon and he's bought a dud! Worse still, he's stated so on the owners' forum, saying there's a major engine fault with it. Apparently, he took it out for another drive with his dad later that night, and discovered some worrying rattling noises that he thought was the turbo about to die. This time, he gave the car even more of a workout/ragging - which he admitted.
He didn't ask for money back immediately, but withheld the £100 deposit despite getting the spare key, and he was putting pressure on me to agree to pay for any remedial work at a specialist. I stated that I'd always driven the car considerately, the car had a full service history and was cherished and cared for with no expense spared. It was sold as all good and he'd had ample opportunity to inspect it. He agreed that I knew nothing of any supposed faults and my driving style would be unlikely to reveal them anyway (thanks!).
In the end, the specialist garage dismissed his concerns and said it was fine, perhaps just needing some hoses replacing or tightening, and nothing to fear. All the forum posters said the same, and berated him for being vague and picky, making a mountain out of a molehill. Nevertheless, he'd lost confidence in it and eventually sold it at a big loss a week later, before going on to buy a new car £14000 more expensive! He'd spent another £500 on the car with new brakes and fancy tyres - I was again tempted to buy it back off him!
I got my £100 back and never heard from him ever again...
ops:Ok first and foremost,
Its a Honda engine = Common faults leading to a knocking engine are oil starvation.
The main causes of oil starvation
Low Oil
Oil surge (bends/turns)
Oil pump failure
Yes its true they tend to last but I know at least two people who's engines have started knocking within a couple of hundred miles of being serviced. Did you use a genuine oil filter? as the S2000 run a smaller filter to aid oil pressure.
I can't imagine him downshifting would cause a bottom end knock, bent rods/valves or hole out the block yes. There are engine rev limiters in place for this..
I also doubt he was pushing the car hard enough around bends (a newly purchased car, RWD).
This leaves oil pump failure, which is not uncommon on these cars. I can understand his annoyance, S2000 engines are VERY expensive. A rebuild on these engines WILL not last long, they have a special coating on the crank and when they are re-ground and oversized bearings fitted, they don't last a huge amount of time.
It doesn't seem like a scam,
Its a Honda engine = Common faults leading to a knocking engine are oil starvation.
The main causes of oil starvation
Low Oil
Oil surge (bends/turns)
Oil pump failure
Yes its true they tend to last but I know at least two people who's engines have started knocking within a couple of hundred miles of being serviced. Did you use a genuine oil filter? as the S2000 run a smaller filter to aid oil pressure.
I can't imagine him downshifting would cause a bottom end knock, bent rods/valves or hole out the block yes. There are engine rev limiters in place for this..
I also doubt he was pushing the car hard enough around bends (a newly purchased car, RWD).
This leaves oil pump failure, which is not uncommon on these cars. I can understand his annoyance, S2000 engines are VERY expensive. A rebuild on these engines WILL not last long, they have a special coating on the crank and when they are re-ground and oversized bearings fitted, they don't last a huge amount of time.
It doesn't seem like a scam,
rev limited in place for this ?
So how does that rev limiter work again ? Yep cuts the spark and stops you over reving the engine from the throttle...
However drop from 5th to 2nd at 100 and the rev limiter wont work.....
always mark a reciept as sold as seen... keep copies of any service records etc. Better still have the car looked over by an independant.
So how does that rev limiter work again ? Yep cuts the spark and stops you over reving the engine from the throttle...
However drop from 5th to 2nd at 100 and the rev limiter wont work.....
always mark a reciept as sold as seen... keep copies of any service records etc. Better still have the car looked over by an independant.
ruggedscotty said:
always mark a reciept as sold as seen... keep copies of any service records etc. Better still have the car looked over by an independant.
Breadvan72 had a handy template...http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=140...
Also The AA
http://www.theaa.com/cbg/goodadvice/commongoodadvi...
SidJames said:
VtecLover said:
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It doesn't seem like a scam,
still doesn't change the fact it's sold as seen and tested, however unfortunate it is for the buyer.It doesn't seem like a scam,
mellowman said:
Feel for the OP as a similar thing happened to me back in April...
I sold a lovely Mk1 Fabia vRS to an enthusiast on the Briskoda Forum.
The car was in lovely condition and, as far as I knew, drove without fault. In fact, after spending a week detailing it, servicing it and general obsessive fettling I was almost moved to keep it!
I wanted a quick sale, so took some very detailed pics, wrote a full description and pitched it as the lowest priced car in the country for the miles and condition.
Drove the car to a potential purchaser who seemed a really nice chap - he inspected it and took it for a drive. I was a little concerned as to how hard to drove it - giving it a good ragging - something I've never done (honest). He agreed to buy, but I'd forgotten the spare key, so he deducted £100 off and said bring it tomorrow to get the £100 back.
So...I get the spare key back to him and we go for a coffee. then he drops the bombshell that the thinks the car is a lemon and he's bought a dud! Worse still, he's stated so on the owners' forum, saying there's a major engine fault with it. Apparently, he took it out for another drive with his dad later that night, and discovered some worrying rattling noises that he thought was the turbo about to die. This time, he gave the car even more of a workout/ragging - which he admitted.
He didn't ask for money back immediately, but withheld the £100 deposit despite getting the spare key, and he was putting pressure on me to agree to pay for any remedial work at a specialist. I stated that I'd always driven the car considerately, the car had a full service history and was cherished and cared for with no expense spared. It was sold as all good and he'd had ample opportunity to inspect it. He agreed that I knew nothing of any supposed faults and my driving style would be unlikely to reveal them anyway (thanks!).
In the end, the specialist garage dismissed his concerns and said it was fine, perhaps just needing some hoses replacing or tightening, and nothing to fear. All the forum posters said the same, and berated him for being vague and picky, making a mountain out of a molehill. Nevertheless, he'd lost confidence in it and eventually sold it at a big loss a week later, before going on to buy a new car £14000 more expensive! He'd spent another £500 on the car with new brakes and fancy tyres - I was again tempted to buy it back off him!
I got my £100 back and never heard from him ever again...
You went for a coffee with the bloke?I sold a lovely Mk1 Fabia vRS to an enthusiast on the Briskoda Forum.
The car was in lovely condition and, as far as I knew, drove without fault. In fact, after spending a week detailing it, servicing it and general obsessive fettling I was almost moved to keep it!
I wanted a quick sale, so took some very detailed pics, wrote a full description and pitched it as the lowest priced car in the country for the miles and condition.
Drove the car to a potential purchaser who seemed a really nice chap - he inspected it and took it for a drive. I was a little concerned as to how hard to drove it - giving it a good ragging - something I've never done (honest). He agreed to buy, but I'd forgotten the spare key, so he deducted £100 off and said bring it tomorrow to get the £100 back.
So...I get the spare key back to him and we go for a coffee. then he drops the bombshell that the thinks the car is a lemon and he's bought a dud! Worse still, he's stated so on the owners' forum, saying there's a major engine fault with it. Apparently, he took it out for another drive with his dad later that night, and discovered some worrying rattling noises that he thought was the turbo about to die. This time, he gave the car even more of a workout/ragging - which he admitted.
He didn't ask for money back immediately, but withheld the £100 deposit despite getting the spare key, and he was putting pressure on me to agree to pay for any remedial work at a specialist. I stated that I'd always driven the car considerately, the car had a full service history and was cherished and cared for with no expense spared. It was sold as all good and he'd had ample opportunity to inspect it. He agreed that I knew nothing of any supposed faults and my driving style would be unlikely to reveal them anyway (thanks!).
In the end, the specialist garage dismissed his concerns and said it was fine, perhaps just needing some hoses replacing or tightening, and nothing to fear. All the forum posters said the same, and berated him for being vague and picky, making a mountain out of a molehill. Nevertheless, he'd lost confidence in it and eventually sold it at a big loss a week later, before going on to buy a new car £14000 more expensive! He'd spent another £500 on the car with new brakes and fancy tyres - I was again tempted to buy it back off him!
I got my £100 back and never heard from him ever again...
TroubledSoul said:
Ooh er! 
Yes, an actual hot drink - you know, the one made from the seeds of "berries" from the Coffea plant :-)I was expecting to just hand him the key and get my £100 back, but he clearly wanted me to listen to his tale of woe. He was a highly strung kind of chap, and I could tell, like the OP, that he thought he'd bought a pup. He didn't ask for a refund but perhaps wanted to see what I might offer him by way of compensation - but he was never aggressive enough to ask for it directly, instead relying on me being a decent chap, and all that.
Like I said, once he'd been told by the garage that there was nothing wrong with it he spent a few more bob on it and sold it at a loss of at least £900, before going out and splashing on a new sporty Ford (he'd apparently just landed himself a job).
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