New Lidl car park system. Invoices by default?
Discussion
PurpleMoonlight said:
Kateg28 said:
Am I missing the point of this thread?
Yes I fear so.There are far to many selfish drivers who don't like restrictions being imposed on where they can and cannot park.
Speaking of wolves sometimes it must be tempting to employ a couple of trained GSD with tightly bound testicles as insurance of extra bad tempered factor on patrol. Think the serial piss takers would be glad of all those tickets as they might actually be able to use them as the much vaunted toilet paper.
Sorry, was that too venomous?
eatcustard said:
What, if like me can never remember your car reg (nice but dim), what do I type in?
Put a note of it in your wallet?My OH can never remember the reg no of two of our cars (he never drives the third) so I have taught him mnemonics. His car is YUT so I told him it was You Ugly Tw...
I have a superb memory and can remember the reg no of every car I have ever owned and all cars owned by my friends and family (yes, they think I am weird). And all mistakes my OH has EVER made
Kateg28 said:
Am I missing the point of this thread?
Went to Aldi yesterday, did my shopping, and then entered my reg no at the till and then drove home. No drama and no charges because I was using the supermarket's own car park to shop in their store. I am flummoxed what the issue is? The car park was nice and empty as it was occupied by customers rather than shoppers using the main shopping centre across the road. Perfect solution if you ask me.
Btw 1 hour in Aldi? I did it in about 20 minutes and I am a woman, and we can shop! What were you doing for an hour?
My point in creating the thread is that the new system, I'd not seen *exactly* this type of implementation before, has some edge cases. It doesn't scale up well. So I wondered how prevalent it was becoming. (Not the various car park controls but this 'by default' method in particular.)Went to Aldi yesterday, did my shopping, and then entered my reg no at the till and then drove home. No drama and no charges because I was using the supermarket's own car park to shop in their store. I am flummoxed what the issue is? The car park was nice and empty as it was occupied by customers rather than shoppers using the main shopping centre across the road. Perfect solution if you ask me.
Btw 1 hour in Aldi? I did it in about 20 minutes and I am a woman, and we can shop! What were you doing for an hour?
So edge cases are where a system fails because someone didn't foresee an event or behaviour. So your example isn't an edge case. The day you park up, walk into the store, grab some items and then realise you forgot your purse, head back to the car to drive home to get it... then you get an invoice and have to prove you were a genuine customer. That is an edge case. As I say above, I'm assuming that if this happens a person could not get the invoice cancelled without undue hassle. For all I know the store are prepared to take their word for it? But the receipt of a demand for money in this circumstance would still arrive and would still cause most people a degree of stress. I suspect many would think it easier to pay than to argue the point?
One other aspect... the store is off St Aldhelm's Road in Poole. If you check out google maps you see that the entrance to the car park is not marked. If you drive past a certain point on this road you are flagged as subject to an invoice even if you are just turning round. It just seems fundamentally unfair to me. It is literally a financial trap that will trap the unwary.
On the plus side, they have a clever system at the till. You just need to give the first couple of characters of your reg number and it immediately shows an image of your car arriving somewhere near the entrance to the car park. So it is a fairly quick process IF you know the first couple of characters.
KFC said:
Mandalore said:
mybrainhurts said:
Mandalore said:
Forget theory.
In practice it will create spaces for their shoppers by removing all the people we all see every day who park there for their personal convenience and then go off somewhere else.
Our local Iceland have good system where you pay £2 for an hour and you get it refunded at the till by showing teR off part of the ticket. Before they did that, you could never find a space, despite the shop being near empty as their car park was in town.
So, if you can't find what you want, and buy nothing, it costs you £2. What a great way make you buy something you don't want. I wouldn't shop there.In practice it will create spaces for their shoppers by removing all the people we all see every day who park there for their personal convenience and then go off somewhere else.
Our local Iceland have good system where you pay £2 for an hour and you get it refunded at the till by showing teR off part of the ticket. Before they did that, you could never find a space, despite the shop being near empty as their car park was in town.
technogogo said:
My point in creating the thread is that the new system, I'd not seen *exactly* this type of implementation before, has some edge cases. It doesn't scale up well. So I wondered how prevalent it was becoming. (Not the various car park controls but this 'by default' method in particular.)
So edge cases are where a system fails because someone didn't foresee an event or behaviour. So your example isn't an edge case. The day you park up, walk into the store, grab some items and then realise you forgot your purse, head back to the car to drive home to get it... then you get an invoice and have to prove you were a genuine customer. That is an edge case. As I say above, I'm assuming that if this happens a person could not get the invoice cancelled without undue hassle. For all I know the store are prepared to take their word for it? But the receipt of a demand for money in this circumstance would still arrive and would still cause most people a degree of stress. I suspect many would think it easier to pay than to argue the point?
One other aspect... the store is off St Aldhelm's Road in Poole. If you check out google maps you see that the entrance to the car park is not marked. If you drive past a certain point on this road you are flagged as subject to an invoice even if you are just turning round. It just seems fundamentally unfair to me. It is literally a financial trap that will trap the unwary.
On the plus side, they have a clever system at the till. You just need to give the first couple of characters of your reg number and it immediately shows an image of your car arriving somewhere near the entrance to the car park. So it is a fairly quick process IF you know the first couple of characters.
You're making a hell of a lot of assumptions in there. Do you really believe thatthe existence of an edge case, as you call them, renders any enforcement unfair?So edge cases are where a system fails because someone didn't foresee an event or behaviour. So your example isn't an edge case. The day you park up, walk into the store, grab some items and then realise you forgot your purse, head back to the car to drive home to get it... then you get an invoice and have to prove you were a genuine customer. That is an edge case. As I say above, I'm assuming that if this happens a person could not get the invoice cancelled without undue hassle. For all I know the store are prepared to take their word for it? But the receipt of a demand for money in this circumstance would still arrive and would still cause most people a degree of stress. I suspect many would think it easier to pay than to argue the point?
One other aspect... the store is off St Aldhelm's Road in Poole. If you check out google maps you see that the entrance to the car park is not marked. If you drive past a certain point on this road you are flagged as subject to an invoice even if you are just turning round. It just seems fundamentally unfair to me. It is literally a financial trap that will trap the unwary.
On the plus side, they have a clever system at the till. You just need to give the first couple of characters of your reg number and it immediately shows an image of your car arriving somewhere near the entrance to the car park. So it is a fairly quick process IF you know the first couple of characters.
If so, do you apply that thought process to all laws? There is an edge case for each and every law that exists and therefore they should all be removed by your reckoning.
I went to a multi story that issues a token and you then pay at the end for the time you have parked.
Parked up, and then locked up car and as I was walking to stairs I realised I had forgotten my purse. I was now stuck in the car park as I had no way of paying to get out. Ended up ringing my OH who had to come out and give me money (recurring theme of our relationship to be fair) and I could then pay the fee and leave the car park.
The Aldi model would at least let me leave and give me the possibility of getting the fee waived in the forgotten purse scenario.
Parked up, and then locked up car and as I was walking to stairs I realised I had forgotten my purse. I was now stuck in the car park as I had no way of paying to get out. Ended up ringing my OH who had to come out and give me money (recurring theme of our relationship to be fair) and I could then pay the fee and leave the car park.
The Aldi model would at least let me leave and give me the possibility of getting the fee waived in the forgotten purse scenario.
I used to get these all the time, plate would get scanned on the way in but would not bother to do it on the way out. My car is an import and the recess is quite low down but a nuisance none the less.
The letters would have a photo of the car and then a massive fine amount as they would try and say that I had been in the supermarket car park for something like 3 days or however long it would be before I'd go in and get my plate scanned again. Easy enough to appeal though.
The letters would have a photo of the car and then a massive fine amount as they would try and say that I had been in the supermarket car park for something like 3 days or however long it would be before I'd go in and get my plate scanned again. Easy enough to appeal though.
Kateg28 said:
Am I missing the point of this thread?
Went to Aldi yesterday, did my shopping, and then entered my reg no at the till and then drove home. No drama and no charges because I was using the supermarket's own car park to shop in their store. I am flummoxed what the issue is? The car park was nice and empty as it was occupied by customers rather than shoppers using the main shopping centre across the road. Perfect solution if you ask me.
Btw 1 hour in Aldi? I did it in about 20 minutes and I am a woman, and we can shop! What were you doing for an hour?
What about the retail park near me with Aldi and several other shops/restaurants? Do I have to take the wife and kids shopping and keep looking at my watch? Maybe you want to live in a world where you have to enter your numberplate every time you stop your car but I don't,they've lost my custom because of it as I now shop elsewhere where there are no restrictions.Funny though, because there never seem to be these great parking problems that people on here keep prattling on about there.Went to Aldi yesterday, did my shopping, and then entered my reg no at the till and then drove home. No drama and no charges because I was using the supermarket's own car park to shop in their store. I am flummoxed what the issue is? The car park was nice and empty as it was occupied by customers rather than shoppers using the main shopping centre across the road. Perfect solution if you ask me.
Btw 1 hour in Aldi? I did it in about 20 minutes and I am a woman, and we can shop! What were you doing for an hour?
As I've mentioned before other countries don't seem to have ppc's and seem to do alright without sleepwalking into the disclosure of my private details to private companies to try and 'fine' me.
Funkycoldribena said:
Kateg28 said:
Am I missing the point of this thread?
Went to Aldi yesterday, did my shopping, and then entered my reg no at the till and then drove home. No drama and no charges because I was using the supermarket's own car park to shop in their store. I am flummoxed what the issue is? The car park was nice and empty as it was occupied by customers rather than shoppers using the main shopping centre across the road. Perfect solution if you ask me.
Btw 1 hour in Aldi? I did it in about 20 minutes and I am a woman, and we can shop! What were you doing for an hour?
What about the retail park near me with Aldi and several other shops/restaurants? Do I have to take the wife and kids shopping and keep looking at my watch? Maybe you want to live in a world where you have to enter your numberplate every time you stop your car but I don't,they've lost my custom because of it as I now shop elsewhere where there are no restrictions.Funny though, because there never seem to be these great parking problems that people on here keep prattling on about there.Went to Aldi yesterday, did my shopping, and then entered my reg no at the till and then drove home. No drama and no charges because I was using the supermarket's own car park to shop in their store. I am flummoxed what the issue is? The car park was nice and empty as it was occupied by customers rather than shoppers using the main shopping centre across the road. Perfect solution if you ask me.
Btw 1 hour in Aldi? I did it in about 20 minutes and I am a woman, and we can shop! What were you doing for an hour?
As I've mentioned before other countries don't seem to have ppc's and seem to do alright without sleepwalking into the disclosure of my private details to private companies to try and 'fine' me.
Who has suggested that this is a national incentive? Who has suggested that this applies to any car parks not fully owned by Aldi? Where is this retail park near you that has suddenly started charging for parking exclusively as a result of Aldi being there?
Other countries have plenty of other laws and cultures that you'd freak out about too, such as the old Soviet Union, which is effectively as lawless as the Wild West. Maybe these countries without PPCs also have citizens who are unselfish and prepared not to park on other people's property without good reason.
Change your name to funkycoldhyperbole
Kateg28 said:
Am I missing the point of this thread?
Went to Aldi yesterday, did my shopping, and then entered my reg no at the till and then drove home. No drama and no charges because I was using the supermarket's own car park to shop in their store. I am flummoxed what the issue is? The car park was nice and empty as it was occupied by customers rather than shoppers using the main shopping centre across the road. Perfect solution if you ask me.
Btw 1 hour in Aldi? I did it in about 20 minutes and I am a woman, and we can shop! What were you doing for an hour?
Only if you don't intend to abuse the car parking at Lidl and go shopping elsewhere. Went to Aldi yesterday, did my shopping, and then entered my reg no at the till and then drove home. No drama and no charges because I was using the supermarket's own car park to shop in their store. I am flummoxed what the issue is? The car park was nice and empty as it was occupied by customers rather than shoppers using the main shopping centre across the road. Perfect solution if you ask me.
Btw 1 hour in Aldi? I did it in about 20 minutes and I am a woman, and we can shop! What were you doing for an hour?
LoonR1 said:
It's one small step for man, but a giant leap for funkycoldribena.
Who has suggested that this is a national incentive? Who has suggested that this applies to any car parks not fully owned by Aldi? Where is this retail park near you that has suddenly started charging for parking exclusively as a result of Aldi being there?
Other countries have plenty of other laws and cultures that you'd freak out about too, such as the old Soviet Union, which is effectively as lawless as the Wild West. Maybe these countries without PPCs also have citizens who are unselfish and prepared not to park on other people's property without good reason.
Change your name to funkycoldhyperbole
I quite like the way Russia do things.None of this H+S bullsWho has suggested that this is a national incentive? Who has suggested that this applies to any car parks not fully owned by Aldi? Where is this retail park near you that has suddenly started charging for parking exclusively as a result of Aldi being there?
Other countries have plenty of other laws and cultures that you'd freak out about too, such as the old Soviet Union, which is effectively as lawless as the Wild West. Maybe these countries without PPCs also have citizens who are unselfish and prepared not to park on other people's property without good reason.
Change your name to funkycoldhyperbole
t.I'd go there but I can't speak the lingo.You carry on in your sad little world entering numerals in carparks frightened you might be too long,I'll go where there's no restrictions.Mqybe you should change your name to "gullible".
Funkycoldribena said:
LoonR1 said:
It's one small step for man, but a giant leap for funkycoldribena.
Who has suggested that this is a national incentive? Who has suggested that this applies to any car parks not fully owned by Aldi? Where is this retail park near you that has suddenly started charging for parking exclusively as a result of Aldi being there?
Other countries have plenty of other laws and cultures that you'd freak out about too, such as the old Soviet Union, which is effectively as lawless as the Wild West. Maybe these countries without PPCs also have citizens who are unselfish and prepared not to park on other people's property without good reason.
Change your name to funkycoldhyperbole
I quite like the way Russia do things.None of this H+S bullsWho has suggested that this is a national incentive? Who has suggested that this applies to any car parks not fully owned by Aldi? Where is this retail park near you that has suddenly started charging for parking exclusively as a result of Aldi being there?
Other countries have plenty of other laws and cultures that you'd freak out about too, such as the old Soviet Union, which is effectively as lawless as the Wild West. Maybe these countries without PPCs also have citizens who are unselfish and prepared not to park on other people's property without good reason.
Change your name to funkycoldhyperbole
t.I'd go there but I can't speak the lingo.You carry on in your sad little world entering numerals in carparks frightened you might be too long,I'll go where there's no restrictions.Mqybe you should change your name to "gullible".
Whilst one doesn't agree with the manner of Loon's posting style, i. e. calling a spade an effing shovel, what is the problem with entering a registration number? Really? It takes seconds, it's presumably part of the terms and conditions of using a facility, to do it saves grief, as said costs seconds of time, not doing it risks being the target of some possibly dodgy organisation. I don't get it. It's not about being frightened just practical.
Funkycoldribena said:
I quite like the way Russia do things.None of this H+S bullst.I'd go there but I can't speak the lingo.
You carry on in your sad little world entering numerals in carparks frightened you might be too long,I'll go where there's no restrictions.Mqybe you should change your name to "gullible".
If you've ever been there then you'd probably have a different outlook. Bribery is rife and you have to do this to get anywhere, bear in mind this is a criminal offence in the UK and this applies worldwide. It's also very, very dodgy there, make a mistake, or lose a contract and you won't always enjoy the outcome. It's a horrible place to do business. t.I'd go there but I can't speak the lingo.You carry on in your sad little world entering numerals in carparks frightened you might be too long,I'll go where there's no restrictions.Mqybe you should change your name to "gullible".
I don't actually ship at Aldi, but have no issue respecting others property and their right to charge me / insist I follow a few rules to park on their land. I don't fear being late, I don't live in fear over anything, you ought to look in the mirror to see the fearful one on this thread.
I also don't subscribe to wibble and the pepipoo lifestyle, nor do I jump to the end game, whilst screaming "thin end of the wedge" and running round waving my hands in the air.
LoonR1 said:
I don't actually ship at Aldi, but have no issue respecting others property and their right to charge me / insist I follow a few rules to park on their land. I don't fear being late, I don't live in fear over anything, you ought to look in the mirror to see the fearful one on this thread.
I certainly don't live in fear having tossed several completely unjust "invoices" in the bin a while back,but I certainly have no respect to being charged for shopping in an establishment where they want my custom/money.Anyway good luck with the sailing wherever it may be.Edited by Funkycoldribena on Tuesday 1st September 18:08
Funkycoldribena said:
I certainly don't live in fear having tossed several completely unjust "invoices" in the bin a while back,but I certainly have no respect to being charged for shopping in an establishment where they want my custom/money.Anyway good luck with the sailing wherever it may be.
I don't think the supermarket you refer to live in fear of losing you as a customer, That is their choice as is yours to shop elsewhere.FiF said:
Whilst one doesn't agree with the manner of Loon's posting style, i. e. calling a spade an effing shovel,
You know they are completely different types of tool Spade
1.
a tool with a sharp-edged, typically rectangular, metal blade and a long handle, used for digging or cutting earth, sand, turf, etc.
Shovel
1.
an implement consisting of a broad blade or scoop attached to a long handle, used for taking up, removing, or throwing loose matter, as earth, snow, or coal.
PH pedantry matters
Especially in a parking thread
technogogo said:
One other aspect... the store is off St Aldhelm's Road in Poole. If you check out google maps you see that the entrance to the car park is not marked. If you drive past a certain point on this road you are flagged as subject to an invoice even if you are just turning round. It just seems fundamentally unfair to me. It is literally a financial trap that will trap the unwary.
Where is the term on the signage which permits the PPC to do this? - https://goo.gl/maps/BKr96That is the PPC's standard sign (easier to read version here - http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6ienCJZ4MfI/U3MxYTbHvrI/...
Entering, turning round and leaving is not parking. I very much doubt any judge would agree and would throw it out.
The one in the Fistral Beach case did just that. There the driver was circling the car park for a considerable time trying to find a slot.
He failed, gave up and left.
swerni said:
Funkycoldribena said:
LoonR1 said:
I don't actually ship at Aldi, but have no issue respecting others property and their right to charge me / insist I follow a few rules to park on their land. I don't fear being late, I don't live in fear over anything, you ought to look in the mirror to see the fearful one on this thread.
I certainly don't live in fear having tossed several completely unjust "invoices" in the bin a while back,but I certainly have no respect to being charged for shopping in an establishment where they want my custom/money.Anyway good luck with the sailing wherever it may be.Edited by Funkycoldribena on Tuesday 1st September 18:08
Red Devil said:
Where is the term on the signage which permits the PPC to do this? - https://goo.gl/maps/BKr96
That is the PPC's standard sign (easier to read version here - http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6ienCJZ4MfI/U3MxYTbHvrI/...
Nice £20 reduced to £12, Our local hospital is £70 reduced to £40 all on Anpr and reg no so disabled etc do not show badge but have to register reg number at reception desk. That is the PPC's standard sign (easier to read version here - http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6ienCJZ4MfI/U3MxYTbHvrI/...
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