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bridgland

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513 posts

224 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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This isn't an admission to be included in the Bad Parking thread, but I need some advice on challenging a PCN I got last night as I see it as a total "Job's-Worth"mentality, with little common sense applied.

I would like to challenge it but would like to have some advice with what justifications I should use in my challenge to the PCN.

Went to the cinema last night and when I parked up I chose a bay at the end of a row, where there was yellow hatching to the side, which looked partly removed (I was parked in the space taken in the first picture by the black car) and decided that if anyone was to park next to me I would put my wheel over the line into the hatched box to ensure I was able to get back into it as well as reduce any chance of doors hitting my car. I didn't park in the bay where the silver car is today as its markings were confusing, as it looks like a bay, but hatched out with yellow lines. It was 6.27 when I got my pay and display ticket and the car park was 15% full and when I came back it hadn't filled up much at all. The only reason this area is hatched seems to be because there is a telecoms box in the corner, and has no right of way, for cars. I drive an Audi Q7 which is a big car and around 30cm wider than the cars in the pictures (2m wide - 2.2m with mirrors out) and, as I have had my car damaged before from people opening their doors onto it, I always try to choose a bay at the end of a row, where I can try to maximise the bay's area.

There was no harm done to anyone else trying to park in the car park and I have parked with consideration for my own property and the property of others.




Many thanks in advance.

paintman

7,687 posts

190 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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Private parking company or council?
May well be jobsworthy but you did park across two bays/not wholly in one bay & if that's what the ticket was issued for then you could have difficulty getting it set aside.

Funk

26,270 posts

209 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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Your post doesn't really make sense.

If I've understood what you're saying you parked in the bay where the black car is with your wheels over the edge of the bay into the area where the silver car is? If so, you've been given the ticket for not parking 'fully within the marked bay' I'd suspect.

If you were parked not fully inside the bay then a jobsworth's got you bang to rights from that perspective. The only consideration may be whether the bay needs to conform to a certain size and if so, is it too narrow? Is it a council-owned car park or privately-owned?

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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Council ticket?

Is it for parking outside the bay?

bridgland

Original Poster:

513 posts

224 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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Council Car Park.

bridgland

Original Poster:

513 posts

224 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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paintman said:
Private parking company or council?
May well be jobsworthy but you did park across two bays/not wholly in one bay & if that's what the ticket was issued for then you could have difficulty getting it set aside.
Council ticket. I would challenge the correct use of the yellow hatching, if they are telling me I was parking across another bay, as I believe the combined white box and partial yellow hatching makes it very unclear. If they tell me I am parked in a yellow hatched area, then I would challenge whether I was obstructing anything at all.

bridgland

Original Poster:

513 posts

224 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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PurpleMoonlight said:
Council ticket?

Is it for parking outside the bay?
The code is 86 - Parked Beyond the Bay Markings.

I get the fact that I have been parked incorrectly, but this is too petty in my mind.

bridgland

Original Poster:

513 posts

224 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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Funk said:
Your post doesn't really make sense.

If I've understood what you're saying you parked in the bay where the black car is with your wheels over the edge of the bay into the area where the silver car is? If so, you've been given the ticket for not parking 'fully within the marked bay' I'd suspect.

If you were parked not fully inside the bay then a jobsworth's got you bang to rights from that perspective. The only consideration may be whether the bay needs to conform to a certain size and if so, is it too narrow? Is it a council-owned car park or privately-owned?
Sorry for the confusion, but you deciphered it correctly.

paintman

7,687 posts

190 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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bridgland said:
paintman said:
Private parking company or council?
May well be jobsworthy but you did park across two bays/not wholly in one bay & if that's what the ticket was issued for then you could have difficulty getting it set aside.
Council ticket. I would challenge the correct use of the yellow hatching, if they are telling me I was parking across another bay, as I believe the combined white box and partial yellow hatching makes it very unclear. If they tell me I am parked in a yellow hatched area, then I would challenge whether I was obstructing anything at all.
Going on your reply to Purple Moonlight that it was for their 'Code 86 - Parked beyond the bay markings' which you admit was the case I'd suggest you're probably stuffed. Can't see any relevance to the other bay having yellow marks.

Funk

26,270 posts

209 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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paintman said:
bridgland said:
paintman said:
Private parking company or council?
May well be jobsworthy but you did park across two bays/not wholly in one bay & if that's what the ticket was issued for then you could have difficulty getting it set aside.
Council ticket. I would challenge the correct use of the yellow hatching, if they are telling me I was parking across another bay, as I believe the combined white box and partial yellow hatching makes it very unclear. If they tell me I am parked in a yellow hatched area, then I would challenge whether I was obstructing anything at all.
Going on your reply to Purple Moonlight that it was for their 'Code 86 - Parked beyond the bay markings' which you admit was the case I'd suggest you're probably stuffed. Can't see any relevance to the other bay having yellow marks.
Agree. Take it on the chin as a lesson learned and move on.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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bridgland said:
The code is 86 - Parked Beyond the Bay Markings.

I get the fact that I have been parked incorrectly, but this is too petty in my mind.
Maybe but you were likely significantly outside the bay, the wheels on a Q7 aren't skinny after all.

Pay up quick and take the discount.

bridgland

Original Poster:

513 posts

224 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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OK, so here's my confession uploaded to the website. I still feel that it is petty and worth appealing.


turbobloke

103,926 posts

260 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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Parking bays need to be made wider these days.

However, that costs money to do, and costs more money with a lower capacity.

It still needs doing in my view as cars are getting bigger for safety (and other) reasons.

Mandat

3,885 posts

238 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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Whilst it seems that you are bang to rights regarding parking outside the bay markings, I would try to challenge it on the basis that the yellow hatched area is not a parking bay, and that therefore you encroachment over the bay line was not prejudicial to the use of the non-bay by other cars.

The council probably won't accept that but it might be worth a try.

bridgland

Original Poster:

513 posts

224 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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Thanks everyone for the replies. Going to appeal and see what happens.

bitchstewie

51,188 posts

210 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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Isn't this one of those where you should just suck it up and admit you were in the wrong?

I used to have a Freelander 2 and it's smaller than a Q7 but parking was a PITA - pitfalls of a large vehicle sadly.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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bridgland said:
Thanks everyone for the replies. Going to appeal and see what happens.
On what basis?

turbobloke

103,926 posts

260 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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PurpleMoonlight said:
bridgland said:
Thanks everyone for the replies. Going to appeal and see what happens.
On what basis?
For the sake of a few minutes' effort, the suggestion from Mandat could be worth pursuing. It may come to nothing.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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turbobloke said:
For the sake of a few minutes' effort, the suggestion from Mandat could be worth pursuing. It may come to nothing.
But hey, it will waste some of the councils money.

Or the OP could simply take responsibility for his actions.

danllama

5,728 posts

142 months

Saturday 5th September 2015
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Next time keep the edge of the tyre ON the line, not over it wink