Advice on dispute with a private school please
Discussion
singlecoil said:
I hold a very different opinion, and would much prefer BV and his 'side' to give it a rest.
Given that neither side is ever likely to agree, surely the best way forward is just for everyone to agree to disagree and let it drop or a mod to close the thread. Either way, I think it's fair to say that it has run its course....
Lurking Lawyer said:
singlecoil said:
I hold a very different opinion, and would much prefer BV and his 'side' to give it a rest.
Given that neither side is ever likely to agree, surely the best way forward is just for everyone to agree to disagree and let it drop or a mod to close the thread. Either way, I think it's fair to say that it has run its course....with the exception of course of its primary purpose
anonymous said:
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This is a selection just from this thread:Breadvan72 said:
He is possibly the worst person to take advice from as he is, according to his anecdotes here, relentlessly litigious…
Breadvan72 said:
He is the typical well meaning but unreliable amateur.
Breadvan72 said:
I think that Justin is over complicating matters...It is easy for pub experts to encourage the OP to spend time and money defending the claim...,
Breadvan72 said:
Are you the soul of Zeeky reincarnated?
Breadvan72 said:
Justin makes the keen amateur's error...
Breadvan72 said:
I quoted Alexander Pope once already above, but he really is right about Justin in this thread..
Breadvan72 said:
Practice does not make perfect, but it gives you a clue, something of which, in this thread, you are sadly bereft...
Breadvan72 said:
So, if the OP has bluffed his way out of adhering to his promises, bully for him and his expert team..
Breadvan72 said:
He is lovely, but I fear he may suffer from woodfortreesitis.
Breadvan72 said:
I am sorry, Justin, but your posts suggest that you are a bit adrift on how the law of contract works.
Breadvan72 said:
You may be cross when I say this, Justin, but you don't appear to me from your posts to have that knack.
Breadvan72 said:
This suggests that you know little about the law of contract. ...like many amateur lawyers, you...
Breadvan72 said:
By the way, the Estate of L'Estrange is even more litigious than Justin!
You could have fooled me that the posts aren't about me.Breadvan72 said:
I have no personal animus against you, Justin and you have made the classic internet error of mistaking an attack on your ideas as an attack on you.]
Oh yeah, right sorry - my bad again.Seriously though, if you are on the other end, you get tired of the same tactic of singling out the poster, putting the poster in a box, and beating the box with a derogatory stick from a pedestal rather than just discussing the post.
I've got a lot of respect for BV's knowledge but, not his recent debating tactics.
Edited by JustinP1 on Thursday 15th October 14:28
Lurking Lawyer said:
singlecoil said:
I hold a very different opinion, and would much prefer BV and his 'side' to give it a rest.
Given that neither side is ever likely to agree, surely the best way forward is just for everyone to agree to disagree and let it drop or a mod to close the thread. Either way, I think it's fair to say that it has run its course....Breadvan72 said:
I am sorry that you are so bitter about the profession that, perhaps, you failed to enter. Maybe you should have studied harder on that law course. You adopt the typical PH assumption that lawyers care only for billable hours, and not for just outcomes. The contrary is often the case (not with all lawyers, but with some). My take on litigation is that it is dreadful stuff, and to be avoided if at all possible. I advise my clients to avoid litigating more often than not. I could be a lot better off if I did not give such advice.
The grammar sideline is a bit of merriment, triggered by Singlecoil's assertion that he went to a good grammar school. The accuracy of that assertion was placed in doubt by his poor written English.
As for name dropping, are you aware that Molesworth and Peason are fictional characters? In shorter words, that means that they are made up people and do not exist. HTH.
What's wrong with you that you have to get personal with snide comments? I am very successful in my career thank you.The grammar sideline is a bit of merriment, triggered by Singlecoil's assertion that he went to a good grammar school. The accuracy of that assertion was placed in doubt by his poor written English.
As for name dropping, are you aware that Molesworth and Peason are fictional characters? In shorter words, that means that they are made up people and do not exist. HTH.
The name dropping, referred to the dropping in of "Harvard" etc; where I've lectured, along with several other worldwide institutions.
It seems to me that Justin was unfortunate in putting his head above the parapet; he was well intentioned and helped another member and, it seems in the process, has been shot for his efforts.
I totally agree with others who say the topic has been killed.
Centurion07 said:
Breadvan72 said:
...only silly and old fashioned people like me think that keeping promises matters.
So can you tell us the details of the Jenson Button case and how your assertion about keeping promises didn't matter in that case? Serious question.RobinOakapple said:
Countdown said:
JustinP1 said:
I've got a lot of respect for BV's knowledge but, not his recent debating tactics.
Ditto.Edited by JustinP1 on Thursday 15th October 14:15
drdel said:
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The name dropping, referred to the dropping in of "Harvard" etc; where I've lectured, along with several other worldwide institutions.
WTF? I was discussing educational opportunity, not the case. Ther have been two or three strands of discussion running side by side. I referred to a bloke from a tough background who was able to get to Harvard because of a good state school (and his ability and effort, of course). Harvard is a real place. How is it name dropping to refer to it? How odd that you feel the need to tell us that you have lectured at Harvard. I suggest that a bit of mirror purchasing on eBay might not go amiss. I have no idea who you are or why you are apparently so angry about stuff, but would you like to show us your CV so that we can applaud it? The name dropping, referred to the dropping in of "Harvard" etc; where I've lectured, along with several other worldwide institutions.
BV is sometimes a bit rude. To put it nicely, he does not suffer fools gladly; to put it less nicely, he is prone to snide remarks and a patronising tone. He is also right about every legal issue that I have seen him argue.
I have some sympathy for his grumpiness. At times, these threads sound a lot like this:-
Non-lawyer: I think the correct analysis is x, y and z.
Lawyer: All bad arguments, I am afraid.
Non-lawyer: No, there are not! X is a great argument, isnt it, because of blah blah blah? Admit it!
Lawyer: Nope, still a bad argument.
[Repeat 3 or 4 times]
Non-lawyer: What about this point - [argument x is repeated in slightly different terms]?! Admit I am right!
Lawyer: You're an idiot.
At which point, the lawyer is the bad guy for being rude. But I have no doubt that a surgeon would become just as rude just as quickly if someone with an A -level in biology told him that they had a great idea about how to perform a particular operation and it involved a kitchen knife and some sellotape.
I have some sympathy for his grumpiness. At times, these threads sound a lot like this:-
Non-lawyer: I think the correct analysis is x, y and z.
Lawyer: All bad arguments, I am afraid.
Non-lawyer: No, there are not! X is a great argument, isnt it, because of blah blah blah? Admit it!
Lawyer: Nope, still a bad argument.
[Repeat 3 or 4 times]
Non-lawyer: What about this point - [argument x is repeated in slightly different terms]?! Admit I am right!
Lawyer: You're an idiot.
At which point, the lawyer is the bad guy for being rude. But I have no doubt that a surgeon would become just as rude just as quickly if someone with an A -level in biology told him that they had a great idea about how to perform a particular operation and it involved a kitchen knife and some sellotape.
pincher said:
Centurion07 said:
Breadvan72 said:
...only silly and old fashioned people like me think that keeping promises matters.
So can you tell us the details of the Jenson Button case and how your assertion about keeping promises didn't matter in that case? Serious question.I had barely noticed a reference to a Jenson Button case here. I had not noticed that anyone was asking me anything about Jenson Button, but if I have missed something, naughty me. I recall that Jenson Button once had a contract that was an unfair restraint of trade. The contract was not enforceable. The law upholds enforceable promises. It does not uphold unenforceable promises. It also refuses to uphold, for example, promises to do something illegal. The OP made a promise of a kind that the law enforces. He did not keep that promise. In consequence, he had to pay the other party some money. Thanks to the skills of Justin and JandJ, the OP was able to pay less than he otherwise would.
A more accurate description would be this:
OP: I want out of this contract on this point.
BV: Tough, that point is watertight so pay up.
Others: Maybe there's something else in the contract that OP can use?
BV: Nope, OP should just pay up because the contract is watertight.
Others: But you've not seen the contract?
BV: Doesn't matter. I'm right and OP should just pay up. Ignore the fact I make a living out of getting people out of contracts that both parties signed in good faith and that I will at least read their contracts before advising.
OP: I want out of this contract on this point.
BV: Tough, that point is watertight so pay up.
Others: Maybe there's something else in the contract that OP can use?
BV: Nope, OP should just pay up because the contract is watertight.
Others: But you've not seen the contract?
BV: Doesn't matter. I'm right and OP should just pay up. Ignore the fact I make a living out of getting people out of contracts that both parties signed in good faith and that I will at least read their contracts before advising.
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