Car tax when buying on last day of month

Car tax when buying on last day of month

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geoffreythestag

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4 posts

104 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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Hi all,

I'm due to collect a car next Wednesday afternoon (the last day of the month) and the current tax, paid for annually, expires on the same day.

Am I going to have to pay an entire months tax (band M) for the sake of a couple of hours or am I able to wait and tax it the following morning?

Even though tax has been paid for all of September by the current owner would the DVLA system flag a non-tax notification if the change of ownership date was the 30th and no new tax was purchased until the 1st?

I'm sure this whole process would be vastly easier if I were to collect the car on the 1st but the logistics of selling my current car and traveling to collect the new car mean it isn't a feasible option.

This is a private sale - any advice gratefully received.

Thanks!

Monkeylegend

26,227 posts

230 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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I think you will lose a month if you want to stay legal.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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I would buy the tax on 1 Oct, but then again, I'm a like wild animal and I love danger.
My fridge filter is meant to be replaced every 6 months but I often got a whole year before bothering.

fking rock and roll or what.

T5R+

1,225 posts

208 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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BY the time the paperwork is processed or systems updated it will be a new day wink

robdcfc

520 posts

157 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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It will show as taxed on an ANPR as they will not have notified DVLA, if you buy tax the following day you could have trailored it there for all they now.

Just drive it home.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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Whatever you do, don't go 1mph over the speed limit at any point ever whilst you own the car. Don't ever let the petrol / diesel level drop into the red.
Check all tyre pressures thoroughly before driving the vehicle
Check oil levels and other fluids weekly at most
Make sure all lights are working fully at all times


ging84

8,832 posts

145 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
I would buy the tax on 1 Oct, but then again, I'm a like wild animal and I love danger.
My fridge filter is meant to be replaced every 6 months but I often got a whole year before bothering.

fking rock and roll or what.
same for me
sometimes i put non dishwasher items in the dishwasher

julianm

1,531 posts

200 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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Why they can`t `tax` a vehicle from any specific day is something I find irritating. Surely the DVLA computers can count?

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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julianm said:
Why they can`t `tax` a vehicle from any specific day is something I find irritating. Surely the DVLA computers can count?
Does it really matter that much? You're irritated about a situation where you may pay unnecessary road tax for a maximum of 30 days and a minimum of none when you buy a car. The highest rate of tax is £500ish, so you're looking at a maximum of c£45. And that would be on top end cars where £45 should be a drop in the ocean to the purchaser.

How much do you think it would cost to administer a daily calculation, along with building a system to do that? Then who do you think would be paying for that? The answer to the latter would be all of us, all of the time.

It's irrelevant in the bigger scheme of things.

julianm

1,531 posts

200 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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Thanks so much for putting me right. How silly of me.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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julianm said:
Thanks so much for putting me right. How silly of me.
You were the one who said they were "irritated", but of course when someone points out your irritation is actually a bit daft when the facts are known, it's better to hide behind sarcasm.

Jim1556

1,771 posts

155 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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LoonR1 said:
Does it really matter that much? You're irritated about a situation where you may pay unnecessary road tax for a maximum of 30 days and a minimum of none when you buy a car. The highest rate of tax is £500ish, so you're looking at a maximum of c£45. And that would be on top end cars where £45 should be a drop in the ocean to the purchaser.

How much do you think it would cost to administer a daily calculation, along with building a system to do that? Then who do you think would be paying for that? The answer to the latter would be all of us, all of the time.

It's irrelevant in the bigger scheme of things.
It absolutely takes the piss that the DVLA now get an extra month's tax on change of ownership (in most private sales)!

Why the fk couldn't it have stayed as it was (tax runs out when it runs out, not when you sell it)???

Regardless whether it's £5 or £500, it's the fking principle!

It took them long enough to move with the times, but to get paid extra for nothing isn't just unfair, it's legalised theft! ranting

OP, buy the car, tax it on the 1st, drive it on the 1st, or, unfortunately, suck it up and pay a full months tax for the drive home...

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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Jim1556 said:
It absolutely takes the piss that the DVLA now get an extra month's tax on change of ownership (in most private sales)!

Why the fk couldn't it have stayed as it was (tax runs out when it runs out, not when you sell it)???

Regardless whether it's £5 or £500, it's the fking principle!

It took them long enough to move with the times, but to get paid extra for nothing isn't just unfair, it's legalised theft! ranting

OP, buy the car, tax it on the 1st, drive it on the 1st, or, unfortunately, suck it up and pay a full months tax for the drive home...
Absolutely brilliant. Have you ever considered knocking the price of the car down by the cost of the months tax?

How much do you think £30 or less matters to anyone on the sale / purchase of a car? What about the cars where the tax is less than £10 it's peanuts spread over the time you own a car.

However, as I've said. If the DVLA spends £millions updating their systems to daily tax, then that cost will need to be recouped via the road tax, so it'll be a self defeating spend as we'd all see a price rise in tax to cover that off.

Oh yeah, the OP can just tax it the day after. Nobody will know, no fine will appear and no kittens will die.

PH. Paranoia matters


Edited by LoonR1 on Thursday 24th September 20:00

bearman68

4,644 posts

131 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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ging84 said:
same for me
sometimes i put non dishwasher items in the dishwasher
And use Bio washing powder on the kids clothes.....

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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Jim1556 said:
It absolutely takes the piss that the DVLA now get an extra month's tax on change of ownership (in most private sales)!

Why the fk couldn't it have stayed as it was (tax runs out when it runs out, not when you sell it)???

Regardless whether it's £5 or £500, it's the fking principle!

It took them long enough to move with the times, but to get paid extra for nothing isn't just unfair, it's legalised theft! ranting

OP, buy the car, tax it on the 1st, drive it on the 1st, or, unfortunately, suck it up and pay a full months tax for the drive home...
Now that the disc has gone, there would be nothing to stop the seller cancelling the tax upon sale, even if he'd told the buyer he wouldn't. How would the buyer know? And when he found out, you'd have the courts full of buyers and sellers disputing what was agreed.

The only way around that issue was to cancel every time the car is sold and the new owner having to re-tax.

Jim1556

1,771 posts

155 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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LoonR1 said:
Absolutely brilliant. Have you ever considered knocking the price of the car down by the cost of the months tax?

How much do you think £30 or less matters to anyone on the sale / purchase of a car? What about the cars where the tax is less than £10 it's peanuts spread over the time you own a car.

However, as I've said. If the DVLA spends £millions updating their systems to daily tax, then that cost will need to be recouped via the road tax, so it'll be a self defeating spend as we'd all see a price rise in tax to cover that off.
Apologies Loon, that was more of a 'long day at work' rant, than aimed specifically at you...

But, as I said, it's the principle! I know a daily system would be stupidly complicated, plagued with errors, ridiculously expensive to implement and above all, it'd explode anyway!

The DVLA have just found modern technology and stopped using paper as much (quite a large saving), but instead of leaving the liability dates as they were, they've now forced a change so they get double tax for a month? I'm sorry, but that takes the fking piss!

Again, whether it's £50 or not, it's theft!

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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Jim1556 said:
Apologies Loon, that was more of a 'long day at work' rant, than aimed specifically at you...

But, as I said, it's the principle! I know a daily system would be stupidly complicated, plagued with errors, ridiculously expensive to implement and above all, it'd explode anyway!

The DVLA have just found modern technology and stopped using paper as much (quite a large saving), but instead of leaving the liability dates as they were, they've now forced a change so they get double tax for a month? I'm sorry, but that takes the fking piss!

Again, whether it's £50 or not, it's theft!
It's not theft. No matter how excited you get about it, it's not theft.

Jim1556

1,771 posts

155 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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LoonR1 said:
It's not theft. No matter how excited you get about it, it's not theft.
I do tend to get excited about certain matters (like the TV licence when I've pretty much stopped watching/listening to anything on the BBC) furious

Paying for something that's been paid for? Sounds like theft to me! (I know it's not, but it's a dispicable practice!)...

Jarcy

1,559 posts

274 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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Scrap road tax altogether and load it onto the price of road fuel duty.
Then you pay as you use the roads.

Classic stored in the garage and driven twice a year(post '74)? Only pay tax on the mileage you use.
18 wheeler thumping the motorways every day and destroying our roads? Pay for what you use.

Johnny foreigner comes over here? He pays his share too. Just like the motorway tolls we have to pay in France.

Until then, I'm with the Op.
It maybe just a small amount each of us pay, but a nice ruse by the government to the benefit of the exchequer. Must add up to quite a bit.
No one likes feeling ripped off, even if it isn't theft.

Said that, just bought a car for my son, and waiting 'till next month to insure and tax it, when he falls 18.
The car's currently sat on my drive. Can't remember how we got it there..

jagracer

8,248 posts

235 months

Thursday 24th September 2015
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Jarcy said:
Said that, just bought a car for my son, and waiting 'till next month to insure and tax it, when he falls 18.
The car's currently sat on my drive. Can't remember how we got it there..
Did you sorn it?