Car tax when buying on last day of month
Discussion
Jim1556 said:
LoonR1 said:
It's not theft. No matter how excited you get about it, it's not theft.
I do tend to get excited about certain matters (like the TV licence when I've pretty much stopped watching/listening to anything on the BBC) 
Paying for something that's been paid for? Sounds like theft to me! (I know it's not, but it's a dispicable practice!)...
Well it's a real thing called council tax.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Jarcy said:
18 wheeler thumping the motorways every day and destroying our roads? Pay for what you use.
1200 litres every couple of days, the huge extra cost hauliers would incur would be loaded onto transport costs, and the price of goods in the shops. It takes 10-14 days at present for the old tax to be cancelled/ refunded, I have been checking this using the dvla vehicle check website.
It would be giving them one months additional road tax for zero benefit if you tax it on the last day of the month and ask them to back date this to the first day of the month.
It's all a big con, since the new rules came in for vehicle licensing they are getting double bubble payment for The month of the sale.
How many used cars are sold per year?
Take an average monthly VED of say £30 x the above = incremental revenue / tax scam gained since new rules imposed.
It would be giving them one months additional road tax for zero benefit if you tax it on the last day of the month and ask them to back date this to the first day of the month.
It's all a big con, since the new rules came in for vehicle licensing they are getting double bubble payment for The month of the sale.
How many used cars are sold per year?
Take an average monthly VED of say £30 x the above = incremental revenue / tax scam gained since new rules imposed.
Shirely, unless the OP collects the car at the stroke of midnight on the 29th/30th, the original owner's tax will have become "active" for that day, and the system doesn't look closer than whole days (at best - mainly months), so the car will be taxed for the drive home, whether or not the computers update.
rallycross said:
It takes 10-14 days at present for the old tax to be cancelled/ refunded, I have been checking this using the dvla vehicle check website.
It would be giving them one months additional road tax for zero benefit if you tax it on the last day of the month and ask them to back date this to the first day of the month.
It's all a big con, since the new rules came in for vehicle licensing they are getting double bubble payment for The month of the sale.
How many used cars are sold per year?
Take an average monthly VED of say £30 x the above = incremental revenue / tax scam gained since new rules imposed.
C- for effort, as a little research would've helpedIt would be giving them one months additional road tax for zero benefit if you tax it on the last day of the month and ask them to back date this to the first day of the month.
It's all a big con, since the new rules came in for vehicle licensing they are getting double bubble payment for The month of the sale.
How many used cars are sold per year?
Take an average monthly VED of say £30 x the above = incremental revenue / tax scam gained since new rules imposed.
E for results
There are 13 road tax bands and only the last two have a payment higher than the figure of £30 that you suggest as an average. It's highly unlikely that the there is more than 50% of cars on the road having emissions levels over 226g/kg. it's far more likely that the average is likely to sit lower down the scale and even below the midpoint of the scale.
However, let's take the midpoint of the scale, which would be £180 and is the new default tax code as of next year and then make some wild guesses. Let's say 10% of all cars on the road swap hands in a year, that's around 3m cars being sold. Then half of those are sold via a dealer, so no over or under lap on those. That leaves 1.5m cars in a year at £15. That amounts to £22.5m which is nothing at all in the grand scheme of things.
It'd be nice in my account, but that's not what we're discussing. The impact on me personally is a maximum of £45 once every couple of years when I sell my car. I probably pay more than that in extra tax by not using my ISA allowance fully, or shopping at Tesco instead of Aldi.
Edited by LoonR1 on Friday 25th September 09:18
Jarcy said:
Scrap road tax altogether and load it onto the price of road fuel duty.
Then you pay as you use the roads..
Is duty and VAT not enough for you?Then you pay as you use the roads..
The government will never give up a source of revenue that:
1. Is paid regardless of how much or little you drive
2. Keeps the greenies happy by disincetivising the purchase of expensive cars and gas guzzlers
3. Is paid in predictable amounts and timing
4. They can increase a little every year
5. has high compliance and is easily enforced
LeoSayer said:
The government will never give up a source of revenue that:
1. Is paid regardless of how much or little you drive
2. Keeps the greenies happy by disincetivising the purchase of expensive cars and gas guzzlers
3. Is paid in predictable amounts and timing
4. They can increase a little every year
5. has high compliance and is easily enforced
Surely VW have just proved that manufacturers have enabled drivers to dodge green taxes by falsifying the emissions data - thus doing the drivers a favour!1. Is paid regardless of how much or little you drive
2. Keeps the greenies happy by disincetivising the purchase of expensive cars and gas guzzlers
3. Is paid in predictable amounts and timing
4. They can increase a little every year
5. has high compliance and is easily enforced
If the duty were on the fuel instead of a notional measure of efficiency, then everyone would benefit - the more you use, the more you pollute, the more you pay.
Manufacturers would be pursuing better consumption figures rather than emissions.
Mill Wheel said:
If the duty were on the fuel instead of a notional measure of efficiency, then everyone would benefit -
Not everyone would benefit. Everyone would face huge hikes in the price of goods in the shops, as hauliers passed on the massive increase in their costs. Even people who don't drive!
Thanks everyone.
I think I'll be safer to suck it up and lose 1 months tax to keep everything perfectly legal. If I didn't tax it until the following day part of me would be expecting a fine from the DVLA when they found a discrepancy between the change of ownership date and the tax renewal date.
I think I'll be safer to suck it up and lose 1 months tax to keep everything perfectly legal. If I didn't tax it until the following day part of me would be expecting a fine from the DVLA when they found a discrepancy between the change of ownership date and the tax renewal date.
geoffreythestag said:
Thanks everyone.
I think I'll be safer to suck it up and lose 1 months tax to keep everything perfectly legal. If I didn't tax it until the following day part of me would be expecting a fine from the DVLA when they found a discrepancy between the change of ownership date and the tax renewal date.
Oh FFS. Make sure you drive everywhere dead on the speed limit won't you. Are you really that paranoid?I think I'll be safer to suck it up and lose 1 months tax to keep everything perfectly legal. If I didn't tax it until the following day part of me would be expecting a fine from the DVLA when they found a discrepancy between the change of ownership date and the tax renewal date.
Tell you what. Send me the months tax instead and I'll pay the fine if it ever arrives.
Mill Wheel said:
Surely VW have just proved that manufacturers have enabled drivers to dodge green taxes by falsifying the emissions data - thus doing the drivers a favour!
If the duty were on the fuel instead of a notional measure of efficiency, then everyone would benefit - the more you use, the more you pollute, the more you pay.
Manufacturers would be pursuing better consumption figures rather than emissions.
VW haven't done drivers a favour. Instead they conned them into buying a VW instead of other brands at the expense of air quality. If the duty were on the fuel instead of a notional measure of efficiency, then everyone would benefit - the more you use, the more you pollute, the more you pay.
Manufacturers would be pursuing better consumption figures rather than emissions.
The government already add duty to fuel so the polluter already pays for whatever they use based on their actual fuel consumption.
Road tax is just another measure and a guaranteed revenue stream.
The current situation, whether logical or not is politically acceptable. They would be mad to change it.
LeoSayer said:
VW haven't done drivers a favour. Instead they conned them into buying a VW instead of other brands at the expense of air quality.
The government already add duty to fuel so the polluter already pays for whatever they use based on their actual fuel consumption.
Road tax is just another measure and a guaranteed revenue stream.
The current situation, whether logical or not is politically acceptable. They would be mad to change it.
Yeah, because no other manufacturer will have done exactly the same The government already add duty to fuel so the polluter already pays for whatever they use based on their actual fuel consumption.
Road tax is just another measure and a guaranteed revenue stream.
The current situation, whether logical or not is politically acceptable. They would be mad to change it.
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