VW Debacle and leased cars
Discussion
Obviously very early days and I'm not entirely sure how it will or won't affect me, however I just wanted to get some advice as to where I might stand.
I've just started a 2 year lease on a diesel Golf. I crunch motorway miles, so fuel economy is obviously a major selling point (among other things). As far as I understand it, there is a possibility that the car's performance will be decreased after a software update, however that isn't clear at the moment.
What might VW owners and leasers expect, particularly those whose cars are, say, less than 6 months old?
I've just started a 2 year lease on a diesel Golf. I crunch motorway miles, so fuel economy is obviously a major selling point (among other things). As far as I understand it, there is a possibility that the car's performance will be decreased after a software update, however that isn't clear at the moment.
What might VW owners and leasers expect, particularly those whose cars are, say, less than 6 months old?
I doubt anyone will know for sure at this point.
The obvious question to ask would be are you happy with the actual fuel economy you're getting? Whatever fix is put in place wouldn't - as I understand it anyway - change your fuel economy since the "defect device" was intended to trick emissions testing, not practical daily driving.
The obvious question to ask would be are you happy with the actual fuel economy you're getting? Whatever fix is put in place wouldn't - as I understand it anyway - change your fuel economy since the "defect device" was intended to trick emissions testing, not practical daily driving.
As said above, no one knows what is going to happen yet, but at some point new software is going to be required, for two reasons.
1) to remove the defeat code
2) to try and get the emmissions as close to what they stated they should be.
No. 1 will be relitively straight forward.
The problems will come with No 2, and what effect hitting the emmissions targets have on the performance of the car, both in terms of acceleration, top speed and economy.
Then there is the questions of what happens if they are unable to reach the emmissions levels they claim they can. Will the government want to reclassify the tax level for those cars? Will they want to claim the back tax which hasn't been paid on this? Who will they claim it off? What effect will it have on resale values?
At the end of the day, the worst case scenario, is that "Mr. VW on the Drive", will end up with a car that does not perform as well, has a higher tax rate to pay, on a car which is worth less than he thought it would be worth. Are VW going to compensate these customers? Are they hell - they will pay for the work to be done, and any fines imposed by governments, but the customer could end up out of pocket.
1) to remove the defeat code
2) to try and get the emmissions as close to what they stated they should be.
No. 1 will be relitively straight forward.
The problems will come with No 2, and what effect hitting the emmissions targets have on the performance of the car, both in terms of acceleration, top speed and economy.
Then there is the questions of what happens if they are unable to reach the emmissions levels they claim they can. Will the government want to reclassify the tax level for those cars? Will they want to claim the back tax which hasn't been paid on this? Who will they claim it off? What effect will it have on resale values?
At the end of the day, the worst case scenario, is that "Mr. VW on the Drive", will end up with a car that does not perform as well, has a higher tax rate to pay, on a car which is worth less than he thought it would be worth. Are VW going to compensate these customers? Are they hell - they will pay for the work to be done, and any fines imposed by governments, but the customer could end up out of pocket.
I guess it depends on what part of the test it wouldn't meet with the part 1 removed.
They could increase the boost pressure to the turbo without touching the diesel fuel side of things. Result would be a bit more strain on the turbo similar to a mild remap but with the increased boost pressure the lean burn characteristics of the diesel engine will be improved at various RPM and load without reducing performance.
They could increase the boost pressure to the turbo without touching the diesel fuel side of things. Result would be a bit more strain on the turbo similar to a mild remap but with the increased boost pressure the lean burn characteristics of the diesel engine will be improved at various RPM and load without reducing performance.
I am interested in this as I have 2015 golf tdi and as far as I can see VW have rigged a car that in the realworld wont meet the emission standards particularly the Nitrogen levels but due to this software cheat the car can perform in such a way when being tested in a lab as to fool the testing kit into passing.
As far as I can understand VW are offering to take this software cheat off you car that's it, I can't see how it will effect performance on the road as its a lab cheat that see the car is not being driven on the open road and behaves differently.
The issue VW don't appear to be offering to make the car compliant and meet regulation they are just offering to remove the cheating software. From what I can see in order to make the cars compliant they may well need to go down the ad-blue road as ford and others have had to.
As far as I can understand VW are offering to take this software cheat off you car that's it, I can't see how it will effect performance on the road as its a lab cheat that see the car is not being driven on the open road and behaves differently.
The issue VW don't appear to be offering to make the car compliant and meet regulation they are just offering to remove the cheating software. From what I can see in order to make the cars compliant they may well need to go down the ad-blue road as ford and others have had to.
Ad blue seems to be a likely solution.
Longer-term, I can see this move hastening the demise of the Diesel engine as I can see the govt. seeking to remove existing tax incentives to but Diesel quite quickly. There has been growing environmental pressure for this for sometime, but the VW debacle has given this view populist support.
Goodbye 2.0tdi, hello 1.4tfsi?
Longer-term, I can see this move hastening the demise of the Diesel engine as I can see the govt. seeking to remove existing tax incentives to but Diesel quite quickly. There has been growing environmental pressure for this for sometime, but the VW debacle has given this view populist support.
Goodbye 2.0tdi, hello 1.4tfsi?
jbsportstech said:
As far as I can understand VW are offering to take this software cheat off you car that's it, I can't see how it will effect performance on the road as its a lab cheat that see the car is not being driven on the open road and behaves differently.
It is not clear what the fix will be - Either the cheat codes in the car may be removed so that it never drops into clean-burning test mode - In which case the car will not be able to pass some emissions tests (Including MOT?) - OR the fix will give the required emission levels at all times, which will likely reduce the power and/or MPG figures to achieve this.The good news is that taking up the offer of the recall and fix will not be compulsory in the UK - According to the Telegraph
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