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RobinOakapple said:
That presupposes that there would be no effect. But if people were, on average, driving more slowly then simple physics requires that those accidents that occur would be less serious, and some would be avoided altogether.
THAT presupposes that the slower you travel, the less likely you are to be killed, or have an accident, yet figures show that motorways, which have the highest speeds, are among the safest roads, and every year toddlers are killed when they are run over on their own driveways by unsuspecting family members, usually at very slow speeds.Slow speed deaths are not restricted to toddlers or family members:
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/fleet-industry-new...
The purpose of a speed limit and enforcement MUST be to improve safety to all road users, but all to often the setting of limits, and/or the enforcement of them is done for other ends - including diverting funds (fines) away from the treasury by increasing the number of drivers eligible for speed awareness courses.
Mill Wheel said:
RobinOakapple said:
That presupposes that there would be no effect. But if people were, on average, driving more slowly then simple physics requires that those accidents that occur would be less serious, and some would be avoided altogether.
THAT presupposes that the slower you travel, the less likely you are to be killed, or have an accident, yet figures show that motorways, which have the highest speeds, are among the safest roads, and every year toddlers are killed when they are run over on their own driveways by unsuspecting family members, usually at very slow speeds.Slow speed deaths are not restricted to toddlers or family members:
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/fleet-industry-new...
As to motorways being the among the safest roads, thank you Captain Bleeding-Obvious, of course they are. They are designed to be. All the traffic is travelling in the same direction for a start. The visibility is always good and there are no junctions and no pedestrians.
Do you have any other startling revelations for us?
RobinOakapple said:
I hope you won't mind me clipping off the opinion piece from your post, I say opinion because you can't support it.
As to motorways being the among the safest roads, thank you Captain Bleeding-Obvious, of course they are. They are designed to be. All the traffic is travelling in the same direction for a start. The visibility is always good and there are no junctions and no pedestrians.
Do you have any other startling revelations for us?
Why are you so aggressive and unpleasant in your replies ? As to motorways being the among the safest roads, thank you Captain Bleeding-Obvious, of course they are. They are designed to be. All the traffic is travelling in the same direction for a start. The visibility is always good and there are no junctions and no pedestrians.
Do you have any other startling revelations for us?
It's a discussion, there's no need to insult and undermine anyone who doesn't share your opinion.
GoodOlBoy said:
Why are you so aggressive and unpleasant in your replies ?
It's a discussion, there's no need to insult and undermine anyone who doesn't share your opinion.
Oh, you think so? Have a look at the Whiplash thread if you want to see some real nastinessIt's a discussion, there's no need to insult and undermine anyone who doesn't share your opinion.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
GoodOlBoy said:
Why are you so aggressive and unpleasant in your replies ?
It's a discussion, there's no need to insult and undermine anyone who doesn't share your opinion.
Mr Oakapple's comments are mild compared to some of the posts you will read on here from time to time. SP&L often sees robust exchanges of views. It's not ideal but that's the way it is.It's a discussion, there's no need to insult and undermine anyone who doesn't share your opinion.
Mill Wheel said:
The purpose of a speed limit and enforcement MUST be to improve safety to all road users, but all to often the setting of limits, and/or the enforcement of them is done for other ends - including diverting funds (fines) away from the treasury by increasing the number of drivers eligible for speed awareness courses.
but as we know ,going back several years ,to the days of hiving off, where"culinary " accountancy of the costs of running a SCP got to the stage that some counties were giving a lot less to HMG for the same number of FPN. And this (presumably) led to the introduction of road safety grants. And seeing the demise of SCP through lack of finances ,the idea of SAC and the other courses was born. Cynically I wonder it the threshold for attendance on these courses has increased as the need for funds to keep the Titanic like organisation afloat increases. Then we could also ask who else has their finger in the pie(or snout in the trough ) as http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6672944/...
asks .
At least there's one voice asking WHY
Claire Armstrong, of protection group Safe Speed, said: “I think the AA should at least justify this incredible amount they seem to be making.”
I think many of us have a more sceptical approach and a healthy cynicism for many of the measures motorists are clobbered with. So I find it strange that a forum for people who take a keen interest in vehicles and driving seems inhabited by many who side with an establishment who are often at odds with the ordinary decent motorist and hence side with dumbing down and treating drivers punitively on so many issues of little real significance. Nail those treating the road like a track by all means but blind allegiance to bureaucratic dictats and the continual simplification of road safety issues into ones of proliferating street furniture and constantly decreasing speed limits is rather unintelligent although also rather easy and very financially rewarding.
Yes you have a right to not be crashed into by a speeding idiot and to Arrive Alive but I think there is also a right to not go about your business with Big Brother watching your every move covertly too - that to me is not the sort of surveillance society I want (and we are already the country with the most CCTV cameras in the world). To think you could not stray over the limit by a few mph where perfectly safe to do so (its is possible - honest) without an immediate Direct Debit pinging my account is not the level of state intrusion into my life that I want...but it is SO on the cards sadly. And yes I too want to arrive alive with my wife and children's bodies healthy, sound and intact - so there is no moral highground here for those that openly embrace such technologies as a fabulous 'eureka moment' life savers. So we are all in it together and yes, no one wants to die; really.
I also consider road safety policing far less effective now than it was 15 years ago - despite the huge amount of fines and points being handed out... And that is an absolute disservice.
Yes you have a right to not be crashed into by a speeding idiot and to Arrive Alive but I think there is also a right to not go about your business with Big Brother watching your every move covertly too - that to me is not the sort of surveillance society I want (and we are already the country with the most CCTV cameras in the world). To think you could not stray over the limit by a few mph where perfectly safe to do so (its is possible - honest) without an immediate Direct Debit pinging my account is not the level of state intrusion into my life that I want...but it is SO on the cards sadly. And yes I too want to arrive alive with my wife and children's bodies healthy, sound and intact - so there is no moral highground here for those that openly embrace such technologies as a fabulous 'eureka moment' life savers. So we are all in it together and yes, no one wants to die; really.
I also consider road safety policing far less effective now than it was 15 years ago - despite the huge amount of fines and points being handed out... And that is an absolute disservice.
GoodOlBoy said:
RobinOakapple said:
I hope you won't mind me clipping off the opinion piece from your post, I say opinion because you can't support it.
As to motorways being the among the safest roads, thank you Captain Bleeding-Obvious, of course they are. They are designed to be. All the traffic is travelling in the same direction for a start. The visibility is always good and there are no junctions and no pedestrians.
Do you have any other startling revelations for us?
Why are you so aggressive and unpleasant in your replies ? As to motorways being the among the safest roads, thank you Captain Bleeding-Obvious, of course they are. They are designed to be. All the traffic is travelling in the same direction for a start. The visibility is always good and there are no junctions and no pedestrians.
Do you have any other startling revelations for us?
It's a discussion, there's no need to insult and undermine anyone who doesn't share your opinion.
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