AUDI SQ5 Dash cam footage Dangerous overtake Somerset
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BrownBottle said:
I could just as easily say there is ZERO evidence of the acceleration staying constant.
I gave my interpretation of the video just like you've given yours, seems plenty of people agree with me.
I think you mean speed staying constant.I gave my interpretation of the video just like you've given yours, seems plenty of people agree with me.
The onus of evidence is on the person making the claim. If someone says the OP accelerated then they should provide evidence that this happened.
If the van in front had been doing 40mph and the camera car had been doing 60mph prior to the video being edited then ti would look like it accelerated due to the speed it started to approach the van at.
Retroman said:
BrownBottle said:
I could just as easily say there is ZERO evidence of the acceleration staying constant.
I gave my interpretation of the video just like you've given yours, seems plenty of people agree with me.
I think you mean speed staying constant.I gave my interpretation of the video just like you've given yours, seems plenty of people agree with me.
The onus of evidence is on the person making the claim. If someone says the OP accelerated then they should provide evidence that this happened.
If the van in front had been doing 40mph and the camera car had been doing 60mph prior to the video being edited then ti would look like it accelerated due to the speed it started to approach the van at.
BrownBottle said:
I disagree, IMO you accelerated to try and close the door on the Audi, the van may have eased off slightly but his turn off was still a bit up the road.
If you're so fond of evidence please provide some proving otherwise. Have to say it certainly does look as if the OP sped up, which is a little weird because to my (very) untrained eye, if the rate of speed-up stayed constant he'd either be into the back of the Fiesta, or on the brakes for no obvious benefit.
Doesn't seem like smart driving by either of them tbh.
Doesn't seem like smart driving by either of them tbh.
aw51 121565 said:
I am reminded of the chap in the Audi who 'blocked' an overtaking Mokka on the A44(?) and posted his dashcam video up for us to critique in an almost identical original post on here; that thread didn't go well either 
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Hint: if one uses a dashcam, be fully aware that it can be used to incriminate one's self as the driver as well as drivers of other vehicles
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Lifecycle of a dash cam video on PH .Hint: if one uses a dashcam, be fully aware that it can be used to incriminate one's self as the driver as well as drivers of other vehicles
.OP posts with claims of great wrong doing
PH'ers comment that the driving is bad but also raise serious questions about the OPs driving
OP takes umbrage
OP largely refutes personal criticism, even when it is made by police officer
OP flounces
Thread gets locked
BrownBottle said:
If you're so fond of evidence please provide some proving otherwise.
The people that state the OP accelerated are the ones making the claim.The onus is on them to prove their claim is true.
Things which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
Vaud said:
aw51 121565 said:
I am reminded of the chap in the Audi who 'blocked' an overtaking Mokka on the A44(?) and posted his dashcam video up for us to critique in an almost identical original post on here; that thread didn't go well either .
Hint: if one uses a dashcam, be fully aware that it can be used to incriminate one's self as the driver as well as drivers of other vehicles .
Lifecycle of a dash cam video on PH .Hint: if one uses a dashcam, be fully aware that it can be used to incriminate one's self as the driver as well as drivers of other vehicles
.OP posts with claims of great wrong doing
PH'ers comment that the driving is bad but also raise serious questions about the OPs driving
OP takes umbrage
OP largely refutes personal criticism, even when it is made by police officer
OP flounces
Thread gets locked
The incident happened it's in the pass you can't do anything to undo it or change what happened.
Does the o/p just want people to hold his hand and praise him?
johnfm said:
Mate - not being funny - but you are conflating a change in speed (acceleration) with a change in acceleration (jerk).
Quite a different thing.
Mate- not being funny- but you clearly don't have a good eye for things, or are watching on a poor quality device. Quite a different thing.
Not only that, you're coming across very badly with your childish insults. What is the point or conducting yourself like you are?
Watch the video carefully again. He pulls of at 31 seconds. Read his own description of how he pulls off. He was ready waiting to go and went on amber. Not sure how fast the OP's car is, but after 8-9 seconds he was barely making inroads on to the back of the van, then suddenly the gap closes much quicker and the acceleration clearly increases when the Audi would have been making his move.
In a built up area it's not normal behaviour to speed and have to brake late for the car ahead.
There is no argument about the change in acceleration. It's as clear as day to see.
Watching that entire video, it seems from the lights he was eager to be first, then when the Audi started to make the pass, he still wanted to stay ahead and tried to do so.
As many insults as you wish to throw, I won't accept a difference of opinion on this one. It's very clear to me.
I really can't understand why people can't see what really happened.
Driver101 said:
johnfm said:
Mate - not being funny - but you are conflating a change in speed (acceleration) with a change in acceleration (jerk).
Quite a different thing.
Mate- not being funny- but you clearly don't have a good eye for things, or are watching on a poor quality device. Quite a different thing.
Not only that, you're coming across very badly with your childish insults. What is the point or conducting yourself like you are?
Watch the video carefully again. He pulls of at 31 seconds. Read his own description of how he pulls off. He was ready waiting to go and went on amber. Not sure how fast the OP's car is, but after 8-9 seconds he was barely making inroads on to the back of the van, then suddenly the gap closes much quicker and the acceleration clearly increases when the Audi would have been making his move.
In a built up area it's not normal behaviour to speed and have to brake late for the car ahead.
There is no argument about the change in acceleration. It's as clear as day to see.
Watching that entire video, it seems from the lights he was eager to be first, then when the Audi started to make the pass, he still wanted to stay ahead and tried to do so.
As many insults as you wish to throw, I won't accept a difference of opinion on this one. It's very clear to me.
I really can't understand why people can't see what really happened.
johnfm said:
f
k me there are some total fking lunatics on this forum - basically every poster suggesting the OP was in any way whatsoever to blame for the dangerous driving of the utter khunt in the white Audi.
OP pulls away from lights, pulls over into the left lane before the merge arrow appears, with plenty of space for a psycopath to pull into.
Hopefully all you guys live down south and so aren't a danger to me or my family.
What a distasteful thread. A real eye opener.
Have to say I pretty much echo this. I watched the full video and then read most of the posts with a sense of disbelief. I can only think some people must hate 'dashcammers' so much they just try and find fault with whatever is posted and actually see things that aren't there.....there's even half a page about him 'moving to the right to block'!. I mean this is a 30second video ffs, and you can even watch it a few times!!...no wonder the police take witness testimony with such a pinch of salt. Truly bizarre threadk me there are some total fking lunatics on this forum - basically every poster suggesting the OP was in any way whatsoever to blame for the dangerous driving of the utter khunt in the white Audi.OP pulls away from lights, pulls over into the left lane before the merge arrow appears, with plenty of space for a psycopath to pull into.
Hopefully all you guys live down south and so aren't a danger to me or my family.
What a distasteful thread. A real eye opener.
And for this who seem to think the OP accelerated on top of his initial acceleration - try watching the lampposts to the side - his increase in speed doesn't waver at all. The sudden closing on the fiesta van is because the van braked. In fact you can clearly see him accelerate away as the audi lunatic overtakes him
The ONLY thing the OP is guilty is is the most minor of failures to judge what was happening ahead.....and all that resulted in was him braking a little heavily himself to LEAVE enough room behind the van for the aforementioned psychopath to pull into......so not even because he had got his distance to the van wrong,
Retroman said:
BrownBottle said:
If you're so fond of evidence please provide some proving otherwise.
The people that state the OP accelerated are the ones making the claim.The onus is on them to prove their claim is true.
Things which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
I'll take it from your evasive reply that you can't prove otherwise.
johnfm said:
To be honest, I'm not going to waste effort arguing with people who don't know the difference between velocity and acceleration.
Here we go again. Rather than putting your point forward well, you want to be the wide boy. I'm fully aware of the difference between acceleration and velocity.
How have you come to the conclusion you have? You've already attacked people for making assumptions, now you're making wrong assumptions.
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 4th October 20:51
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