AUDI SQ5 Dash cam footage Dangerous overtake Somerset

[jbsportstech]

Driver101 said:

I've said the Audi driver is an idiot. Do you want me to track him down and tell him that? What else do you expect me to do?

You've posted the video on the internet for discussion, you're here to discuss it with. You are the one oblivious/pretending not to see your part in the incident and stirring an argument.


Light bulbs tyre pressures? What are you on about?

I'm commenting on the incident, you're making up all sorts of nonsense that hasn't been remotely said or done.

It wasn't me who analysed your video to calculate the speed and acceleration points.

Smokescreen and excuses.

Well you quote 46mph like its a fact were as its someone's opinion.

I think your scared your driving might be caught on a cam and you wont like it.

Its clear some on here would rather meet the SQ5 driver oncoming towards them 50plus in a 30 than me on my own side of the road daring to do 40mph with dash cam active, how dare I.

[jbsportstech]

Bennet said:

You've had to tone down the hypothetical crime to make your argument sound reasonable though. The police probably get all kinds of rubbish handed in to them which they don't action, and the occasional bit of dangerous idiocy which (I'd hope) they do. I say let people hand in whatever they feel is necessary and let the police use their discretion about what to follow up.

Think a lot of people do 40 in a 30 on the right side of the road not cutting anyone up or needing to swerve around islands.

I think a only few speed into the path oncoming vehicles causing them to take evasive action its the difference between speeding which is FNP and driving with due care or dangerous driving although for some on here there is none your either an angel or a speeder.

Edited by jbsportstech on Tuesday 6th October 15:29

[jbsportstech]

Hackney said:

2 more psychics. Pistonheads, mindreading matters.

Must have the gift of the hebrew prophet

[RogueTrooper]

jbsportstech said:

Its clear some on here would rather meet the SQ5 driver oncoming towards them 50plus in a 30 than me on my own side of the road daring to do 40mph with dash cam active, how dare I.

Or perhaps some just don't like the whiff of hypocrisy about "my driving was bad, but his was worse." ?

[jbsportstech]

RogueTrooper said:

Or perhaps some just don't like the whiff of hypocrisy about "my driving was bad, but his was worse." ?

I accepted carrying that much speed towards the fiesta was an error on my part but I didn't boot it to stop the audi in fact his nose passes mine and I brake to let him merge rather than dice with death. If he had merged fair enough!

Ok I should expect some stick for that but not this 'its all your fault, you should of known the audi driver was a brain damage toddler and allowed them to merge in front of you earlier', you caused the situation your both as bad balh blah.

[Joeguard1990]

jbsportstech said:

Think a lot of people do 40 in a 30 on the right side of the road not cutting anyone up or needing to swerve around islands.

I think a only few speed into the path oncoming vehicles causing them to take evasive action its the difference between speeding which is FNP and driving with due care or dangerous driving although for some on here there is none.

So it wouldn't bother you then if you handed in the footage and not only did the police charge the Audi driver, they then used the footage to work out how fast you were travelling and also sent you an FPN with 3 points and a £100 fine...? How is it fair that one person should be charged with their actions based on video evidence and not the other?

[jbsportstech]

Joeguard1990 said:

So it wouldn't bother you then if you handed in the footage and not only did the police charge the Audi driver, they then used the footage to work out how fast you were travelling and also sent you an FPN with 3 points and a £100 fine...? How is it fair that one person should be charged with their actions based on video evidence and not the other?

What are you saying that if a police officer stops a car doing 40 in a 30 and gives them words or advice and then on the same stretch stops a car for doing 50plus on the wrong side of the road causing to cars to evasive action he is duty bound to be fair and impartial and let that driver off with words of advice a well? Or does only relate to video footage, so if they find one of the oncoming cars was uninsured they should follow that up as well, were do we stop?

One crime is speeding the other is dangerous driving but both must be prosecuted in the pursuit of farness.

I have reported the matter to the police in nearly 12 months I have seen a few things on my cams but this is not just minor speeding so I have reported it.

Edited by jbsportstech on Tuesday 6th October 15:49

[RogueTrooper]

jbsportstech said:

I accepted carrying that much speed towards the fiesta was an error on my part but I didn't boot it to stop the audi in fact his nose passes mine and I brake to let him merge rather than dice with death. If he had merged fair enough!

Ok I should expect some stick for that but not this 'its all your fault, you should of known the audi driver was a brain damage toddler and allowed them to merge in front of you earlier', you caused the situation your both as bad balh blah.

Can you see how the situation then turns out though? -



You're carrying too much speed and closing the gap between you and the Fiesta ahead.

The Audi driver, rightly or wrongly, has committed to overtaking at least you.

At this point he doesn't know if you're going to slow down or not to let him in between you and the Fiesta.

He has to make a decision - abort/commit to overtaking you/commit to overtaking both you and the Fiesta.

You're carrying too much speed for the situation.

The Audi driver's also carrying too much speed for the situation.

By the time you slow, the Audi driver may already have committed himself to one or another option.

He may or may not have even realised that you eventually slowed.

He may or may not have realised that there was potential for him to brake and return into the gap in lane one without taking your nose off, because you'd slowed down.

Nobody should realistically expect you to be a mind-reader, but neither should you realistically expect the driver of the Audi to have read your mind at the time.



Here comes the lecture:


If you'd been driving more predictably - i.e. briskly up to the speed limit, then you might well have avoided the situation altogether, as the Audi may still have overtaken you at speed, but slotted into the larger gap between you and the Fiesta.

(Alternatively he may still have driven exactly as he did in your clip!)

Either way, you could have criticised safe in the knowledge that you were yourself beyond reproach.

More importantly and alternatively, in the event of the Audi driver causing a collision directly ahead of you, had you been travelling slower you'd have had more time to avoid becoming involved yourself.



Please don't take the above as being patronising. It's not intended to be so.

[Driver101]

jbsportstech said:

Well you quote 46mph like its a fact were as its someone's opinion.

I think your scared your driving might be caught on a cam and you wont like it.

Its clear some on here would rather meet the SQ5 driver oncoming towards them 50plus in a 30 than me on my own side of the road daring to do 40mph with dash cam active, how dare I.

It's very clear you are speeding. If his figures are 100% accurate I don't know. It's very clear you are way over 30mph.

He claims to have used frame by frame video to calculate 46mph. You didn't really dispute the 46mph claim.

I know you are wrong. Why would I be scared? Why are you going down the route of attacking me and making up all sorts of nonsense? That's three posts on the trot you've introduced more irrelevant drivel.

What was the reason you were so eager to get off the lights?

Why did you just happen to be speeding when a faster car was wanting passed in a 30mph zone?

Why did you accelerate late on when the Audi made a pass late?

Why go so much quicker up to the back of the van when there was absolutely no need?

Why not upload a clip of the video with sound? You uploaded an increased length video when requested, why not one with sound? The sound won't be that bad from that dashcam.

If you hadn't accelerated, the Audi would have been easily through and have pulled in on time. Don't twist that to say I approve what the Audi driver was doing.

Every single part of your behaviour during that video highlights your eagerness to keep the Audi behind.

You were driving aggressively and he joined in your game.

[johnfm]

WatchfulEye said:

For what it's worth, I was bored and did a frame-by-frame analysis of the video.

There is a period of acceleration away from the lights, then a let up, then a brief burst of acceleration. The speed is constant at approx 46 mph for 1.5 seconds before the Audi becomes visible, which suggests that the OP let up on the throttle once he saw the audi beginning the overtake manoeuvre.

I'd argue that the acceleration and speed were a bit aggressive for the road, however.

1. What did you use for distance estimation?


2. The bit in bold - it doesn't suggest that. You've assumed it. The OP may have looked at his speedo and decellerated, or changed radio station or any other number of things.

Edited by johnfm on Tuesday 6th October 16:24

[jbsportstech]

Driver101 said:

It's very clear you are speeding. If his figures are 100% accurate I don't know. It's very clear you are way over 30mph.

Ok accepted my speed exceeds 30mph

Driver101 said:

He claims to have used frame by frame video to calculate 46mph. You didn't really dispute the 46mph claim.

Don't agree

Driver101 said:

I know you are wrong. Why would I be scared? Why are you going down the route of attacking me and making up all sorts of nonsense? That's three posts on the trot you've introduced more irrelevant drivel.

So you say

Driver101 said:

What was the reason you were so eager to get off the lights?

I had been held up for a while by drivers not using the two lane system on the road in question the road ahead looked empty and lane 2 was empty whilst sat at the lights I decided wrongly that firm acceleration was needed.

Driver101 said:

Why did you just happen to be speeding when a faster car was wanting passed in a 30mph zone?

Don't know like I said the audi came to the party late.

Driver101 said:

Why did you accelerate late on when the Audi made a pass late?

I was accelerating the audi noses passed me and I brake, I DID NOT TRY AND BLOCK A 300NHP CAR WITH MY 140BHP again for the cheap seats.

Driver101 said:

Why go so much quicker up to the back of the van when there was absolutely no need?

...as I said got away noting worse than being lane 2 in a merge and dawdling along to without a plan to merge. The fiesta slowed after the two lanes ended, I assume due to turning off.

Driver101 said:

Why not upload a clip of the video with sound? You uploaded an increased length video when requested, why not one with sound? The sound won't be that bad from that dashcam.

Sound is disabled as I don't like the quality again for the hard of understanding.

Driver101 said:

If you hadn't accelerated, the Audi would have been easily through and have pulled in on time. Don't twist that to say I approve what the Audi driver was doing.

So I am not to make progress ever again for fear of getting in the way of brain damaged toddlers who drive and might try and go faster than me.

Driver101 said:

Every single part of your behaviour during that video highlights your eagerness to keep the Audi behind.

Hooray for clairvoyants, or I was just trying to make progress after being stuck in traffic but you have a gift there.

Driver101 said:

You were driving aggressively and he joined in your game.

So what don't ever accelerate hard or drive faster than the limit or you only have yourself to blame if someone tries to 'join your game' I don't play in the bus!

Yey another win for the pistonhead clairvoyants.

Edited by jbsportstech on Tuesday 6th October 16:25

[Driver101]

jbsportstech said:

Driver101 said:

It's very clear you are speeding. If his figures are 100% accurate I don't know. It's very clear you are way over 30mph.

Ok accepted my speed exceeds 30mph

Driver101 said:

He claims to have used frame by frame video to calculate 46mph. You didn't really dispute the 46mph claim.

Don't agree

Driver101 said:

I know you are wrong. Why would I be scared? Why are you going down the route of attacking me and making up all sorts of nonsense? That's three posts on the trot you've introduced more irrelevant drivel.

So you say

Driver101 said:

What was the reason you were so eager to get off the lights?

I had been held up for a while by drivers not using the two lane system on the road in question the road ahead looked empty and lane 2 was empty whilst sat at the lights I decided wrongly that firm acceleration was needed.

Driver101 said:

Why did you just happen to be speeding when a faster car was wanting passed in a 30mph zone?

Don't know like I said the audi came to the party late.

Driver101 said:

Why did you accelerate late on when the Audi made a pass late?

I was accelerating the audi noses passed me and I brake, I DID NOT TRY AND BLOCK A 300NHP CAR WITH MY 140BHP again for the cheap seats.

Driver101 said:

Why go so much quicker up to the back of the van when there was absolutely no need?

...as I said got away noting worse than being lane 2 in a merge and dawdling along to without a plan to merge. The fiesta slowed after the two lanes ended, I assume due to turning off.

Driver101 said:

Why not upload a clip of the video with sound? You uploaded an increased length video when requested, why not one with sound? The sound won't be that bad from that dashcam.

Sound is disabled as I don't like the quality again for the hard of understanding.

Driver101 said:

If you hadn't accelerated, the Audi would have been easily through and have pulled in on time. Don't twist that to say I approve what the Audi driver was doing.

So I am not to make progress ever again for fear of getting in the way of brain damaged toddlers who drive and might try and go faster than me.

Driver101 said:

Every single part of your behaviour during that video highlights your eagerness to keep the Audi behind.

Hooray for clairvoyants, or I was just trying to make progress after being stuck in traffic but you have a gift there.

Driver101 said:

You were driving aggressively and he joined in your game.

So what don't ever accelerate hard or drive faster than the limit or you only have yourself to blame if someone tries to 'join your game' I don't play in the bus!

Yey another win for the pistonhead clairvoyants.


[footnote]Edited by jbsportstech on Tuesday 6th

October 16:25[/footnote]

The road ahead looked empty? Firstly your video clearly shows that wasn't the case. The van turned left at the junction right in front of you and you could see it all the time.

I would join you and throw chidish insults in return with that strange oversight, but I don't play that game.

If the road was that busy before, you'd know the traffic is only just up the road.

The Fiesta was nowhere near its junction. There was no sign of brake lights, or indication, or positioning, to show a sudden slow down or change of direction. It's your speed that increases and not the other way.

Do you need to be in lane 2 near the merge? You pulled off the lights on amber, then went way over the speed limit by a margin after accelerating hard. Surely nobody was inside you and you could have been in lane 1 and not had to dawdle along at the merge?

Still not really understanding that as reasoning for doing such a high speed, braking so late if you were oblivious the Audi was there.

If you don't know it was there, why be concerned about holding someone up?

Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 6th October 16:50

[Driver101]

Driver101 said:

jbsportstech said:

Driver101 said:

It's very clear you are speeding. If his figures are 100% accurate I don't know. It's very clear you are way over 30mph.

Ok accepted my speed exceeds 30mph

Driver101 said:

He claims to have used frame by frame video to calculate 46mph. You didn't really dispute the 46mph claim.

Don't agree

Driver101 said:

I know you are wrong. Why would I be scared? Why are you going down the route of attacking me and making up all sorts of nonsense? That's three posts on the trot you've introduced more irrelevant drivel.

So you say

Driver101 said:

What was the reason you were so eager to get off the lights?

I had been held up for a while by drivers not using the two lane system on the road in question the road ahead looked empty and lane 2 was empty whilst sat at the lights I decided wrongly that firm acceleration was needed.

Driver101 said:

Why did you just happen to be speeding when a faster car was wanting passed in a 30mph zone?

Don't know like I said the audi came to the party late.

Driver101 said:

Why did you accelerate late on when the Audi made a pass late?

I was accelerating the audi noses passed me and I brake, I DID NOT TRY AND BLOCK A 300NHP CAR WITH MY 140BHP again for the cheap seats.

Driver101 said:

Why go so much quicker up to the back of the van when there was absolutely no need?

...as I said got away noting worse than being lane 2 in a merge and dawdling along to without a plan to merge. The fiesta slowed after the two lanes ended, I assume due to turning off.

Driver101 said:

Why not upload a clip of the video with sound? You uploaded an increased length video when requested, why not one with sound? The sound won't be that bad from that dashcam.

Sound is disabled as I don't like the quality again for the hard of understanding.

Driver101 said:

If you hadn't accelerated, the Audi would have been easily through and have pulled in on time. Don't twist that to say I approve what the Audi driver was doing.

So I am not to make progress ever again for fear of getting in the way of brain damaged toddlers who drive and might try and go faster than me.

Driver101 said:

Every single part of your behaviour during that video highlights your eagerness to keep the Audi behind.

Hooray for clairvoyants, or I was just trying to make progress after being stuck in traffic but you have a gift there.

Driver101 said:

You were driving aggressively and he joined in your game.

So what don't ever accelerate hard or drive faster than the limit or you only have yourself to blame if someone tries to 'join your game' I don't play in the bus!

Yey another win for the pistonhead clairvoyants.


[footnote]Edited by jbsportstech on Tuesday 6th

October 16:25[/footnote]

The road ahead looked empty? Firstly your video clearly shows that wasn't the case. The van turned left at the junction right in front of you and you could see it all the time.

I would join you and throw chidish insults in return with that strange oversight, but I don't play that game.

If the road was that busy before, you'd know the traffic is only just up the road.

The Fiesta was nowhere near its junction. There was no sign of brake lights, or indication, or positioning, to show a sudden slow down or change of direction. It's your speed that increases and not the other way.

Do you need to be in lane 2 near the merge? You pulled off the lights on amber, then went way over the speed limit by a margin after accelerating hard. Surely nobody was inside you and you could have been in lane 1 and not had to dawdle along at the merge?

Still not really understanding that as reasoning for doing such a high speed, braking so late if you were oblivious the Audi was there.

If you didn't know it was there, why be concerned about holding someone up?

Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 6th October 16:50

[johnfm]

He changed lanes before the merge.

How do you know the rate at which the car in lane 1 accelerated from the lights? For all we know, the OP changed lanes at the appropriate time after he was clear of the car in lane 1 - but there is no evidence to take a view either way.

Can't wait to see the 46 mph calculations from Mr Freezeframe

[Ian Geary]

Video now deleted...guess this post didn't go quite to plan.

[jbsportstech]

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Ian Geary said:

Video now deleted...guess this post didn't go quite to plan.

Nothing to do with the post just its gone to the police so i have removed for them to do their investigation. Would the resident clairvoyants like tell me the out come and maybe next sats lottery numbers to?

[Some Gump]

Am I the only one hoping that the OP gets the ire of the police for intentionally closing the gap to the Fiesta to prevent the overtake? Would be pleasantly ironic.

[jbsportstech]

Some Gump said:

Am I the only one hoping that the OP gets the ire of the police for intentionally closing the gap to the Fiesta to prevent the overtake? Would be pleasantly ironic.

No probably not lets hope your loved ones don't die in a head on with the audi.

[Driver101]

jbsportstech said:

Nothing to do with the post just its gone to the police so i have removed for them to do their investigation. Would the resident clairvoyants like tell me the out come and maybe next sats lottery numbers to?

Even with the benefit of the video, and being there in person, you still get wrong what the circumstances were. Your previous post, that I questioned, you've invented things that weren't on it again.

What station did you hand it in at?

Why would you need to remove it for an investigation?

Why again make all the stupid comments to try and stir people up?


I'll make a prediction since you ask. Even if you've handed the video in and the police come back to offer you advice about your driving, you'll feel like the victim and think they are wrong too.

[Wills2]

jbsportstech said:

Nothing to do with the post just its gone to the police so i have removed for them to do their investigation. Would the resident clairvoyants like tell me the out come and maybe next sats lottery numbers to?

Why are you sending this stuff to the Police? What have you suffered from? Apart from a bruised ego......

A decent defensive driver would have seen him haring up in the rear view mirror and backed off.

I seriously hope this dash cam craze isn't going to mean we have people "en masse" creating dangerous situations in some desperate attempt to gain some attention and do someone over, we've already had a few on PH and it's concerning.