AUDI SQ5 Dash cam footage Dangerous overtake Somerset

[Driver101]

johnfm said:

If you don't have a bias why do you keep presenting your assumptions as fact.

You (and others) continue to fill in evidentiary gaps (of which there are many) with your opinion on what the OP was thinking, where other cars may or may not have been etc.

If you compare your claims with the actual, very limited evidence in the video you'd understand why I am telling you you're making things up.

We even had one bloke "calculating" the OPs speed as 46 mph at one point. Quite amazing really, given the evidence at hand.

The daft claims about the OP's driving just don't hold up to scrutiny - unless you've got a very low threshold of the meaning of "evidence".

What's this bias nonsense again?

Your only method of highlighting your opinion is either insulting people, or making up stuff that is so clearly wrong.

I've presented my opinion and explained why I have that opinion. I've said what I see and why I see it that way. I've not invented anything that isn't on the video.

Question the guy who said 46.1mph, but you can clearly see it was well over 40mph.

I'm not accepting there isn't a change in speed. It's as clear as day to many people. Is everyone wrong and seeing something that isn't there?

I've not got a low threshold of evidence. I just think you lack judgement if you can't see what others can. If it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck........

We won't agree, so there's little point going round in circles with you.

Edited by Driver101 on Saturday 10th October 10:02

[Ken Figenus]

I have no horse in this race but I do see people with very strong opinions that present them as absolute fact when I disagree with some of what they present as fact. I think the OP is being hung drawn and quartered more for failing the attitude test and also as he lacks the histrionic keyboard skills of others and therefore is easy prey, so I feel he deserves a little support.

I'm being questioned in a mud slinging way if I have an issue with certain car brands or expensive cars - I'd think unlikely given what I drive and have owned (a B6 RS4 for e.g (worst handling car I've ever had - maybe that's my gripe )) - so you see it gets v personal v quickly when you challenge people of a certain mindset. And then its about that. And that is not the point.

[johnfm]

Driver101 said:

You're the boy that keeps telling everyone else they are wrong. How do you know better? How is everyone else wrong and you are right?

You keep telling people it's wrong to make assumptions, then you make assumptions.

What reason would I have for having any bias? None at all as far as I can see.

Why can so many people see the acceleration and you can't? Do you not start to question that maybe you are lacking judgement or maybe you're watching on 240p?

We will differ on the road was clear ahead. By watching the video it was clear the road wasn't clear ahead. After just a few seconds of the video the OP had to adjust his speed due to the Fiesta. He's already offered the fact there was congestion on the road.

Staying right. It's very unlikely a car on the inside also reacted to go on amber. It really isn't something you see that often. As he also admitted he accelerated sharply off the lights and was speeding. The chances of another car doing the same is very slim.

As everyone has pointed out, the front of the car lifts at the same time the acceleration increases.

A loon? Have a little look at your conduct in this thread. Kettle, pot black.

Sometimes I wonder if you're the OP with a second account. Your aggressive nature, abusing people and strong defence is odd. Everything you accuse me of, you're doing the exact opposite to a greater level.

Is there a reason you are so passionate about this?

See in bold yet another of your brilliant observations with zero basis in fact.

[johnfm]

Driver101 said:

What's this bias nonsense again?

Your only method of highlighting your opinion is either insulting people, or making up stuff that is so clearly wrong.

I've presented my opinion and explained why I have that opinion. I've said what I see and why I see it that way. I've not invented anything that isn't on the video.

Question the guy who said 46.1mph, but you can clearly see it was well over 40mph.

I'm not accepting there isn't a change in speed. It's as clear as day to many people. Is everyone wrong and seeing something that isn't there?

I've not got a low threshold of evidence. I just think you lack judgement if you can't see what others can. If it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck........

We won't agree, so there's little point going round in circles with you.

Edited by Driver101 on Saturday 10th October 10:02

See in bold. Yet another example where you confuse speed with acceleration.

[johnfm]

Driver101 said:

PorkInsider said:

Definitely this ^^^

Driver101 has decided his opinion has become fact and the mythical '46mph' was plucked out of thin air and then used as a stick to beat the OP with.

Hilarious. You really couldn't make it up.

(Well actually some people on this thread definitely could make it up, so perhaps a poor choice of phrase.)

I've not decided my opinion is fact.

I'm just baffled so many people seem to have zero perception about speed and distance.

I never said 46mph was correct. By the guy's claims, it wasn't plucked out of thin air either. He claimed to have calculated it. The guy even gave the speed to one decimal place. Nobody questioned him at the time.

What is clear is he is way over 40mph. He's not even be able to offer his speed and didn't previously question 46mph.

The closing speed of his car and the van is easily 15+mph. Likewise after he hits the brakes, scrubbing off some speed, the van moves off at a reasonable rate.

The van wasn't doing 10mph and the OP doing 30mph.


There is a lot of threads that go off topic and get out of hand on here. Do you not find it strange that a number of the people who can judge the speed and acceleration aren't your usual wind up merchants?

See in bold yet more claims without any basis in evidence.

Which of the sciences was your degree in? Maybe that will help me decide whether to take your 'facts' with one pinch of salt or two.

[johnfm]

Driver101 said:

jbsportstech said:

Seems to slipped your attention that someone who knows the area and the road has stated my speed was too fast (ok fair enough I take criticism) however they have experienced the aforementioned audi and it has been seen to drive in a similar manor by that person as well.

Does that suggest that it is in the darkest realms of possibly that a) the audi driver may well of done a last minute dangerous overtake and driven in that manor whether I had been speeding along that section or not.

Is not becoming clear that the driver is dangerous and if someone doesn't take action they could well cause a fatality.

I must have missed some posts out. I never read about the previous conduct.

He might very well have done it before and would do it again. I would say it's extremely rare to see someone doing in excess of 50mph on a 30mph zone like that.

It was an irresponsible move.

However I see people pushing in on a regular basis. I also see people trying to push them back out,like I think is clear you did.

The front end of your car lifts as the Audi is coming suggesting acceleration, everything around the car speeds up suggesting acceleration and your closing speed to van increases suggesting acceleration.

One minute you say the road was congested and was holding you up. Next minute you offer the information that the road was clear (when it wasn't) for your burst of acceleration.

It appears in the story that the Audi appeared from nowhere through this congestion, the congestion that also vanished.

I just don't beleive your story.

I think the Audi was always there and I can see you tried to keep it behind you.

Some people disagree with that, but there is a lot that do, including people who deal with this kind of stuff.

Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 7th October 17:31

See in bold an indication that you may be biased.

See also another assertion without any evidence.

Edited by johnfm on Saturday 10th October 13:12

[Driver101]

johnfm said:

See in bold. Yet another example where you confuse speed with acceleration.

You are a right pain in the backside. You're reading something and extracting a different meaning to suit yourself. You've already made this point and didn't come back with your repeat it when I pointed out your mistake.


I'm not confusing speed and acceleration. I think you're the only one not understanding what I've said clearly throughout.

Edited by Driver101 on Saturday 10th October 13:23

[Driver101]

johnfm said:

See in bold an indication that you may be biased.

See also another assertion without any evidence.

Edited by johnfm on Saturday 10th October 13:12

I may be biased? Why would be be biased???????

I don't know the people involved and have ZERO reason to be biased. Yet you keep banging on like your wrong opinion is fact.

I'm not fking biased. So please stop repeating yourself on something that there IS ZERO evidence of.

Please stop responding to me. You're a pain in the backside and are clueless.

[johnfm]

Driver101 said:

johnfm said:

See in bold. Yet another example where you confuse speed with acceleration.

You are a right pain in the backside. You're reading something and extracting a different meaning to suit yourself. You've already made this point and didn't come back with your reap se when I pointed out your mistake.


I'm not confusing speed and acceleration. I think you're the only one not understanding what I've said clearly throughout.

The issue is whether there was a step change in acceleration. You mentioned a "change in speed" in the quote above. It is clear you are either confusion speed and acceleration or don't know how to clearly express what you mean.

Your statements in bold are pretty clear really. That's why I highlighted them.

[johnfm]

Driver101 said:

johnfm said:

See in bold an indication that you may be biased.

See also another assertion without any evidence.

Edited by johnfm on Saturday 10th October 13:12

I may be biased? Why would be be biased???????

I don't know the people involved and have ZERO reason to be biased. Yet you keep banging on like your wrong opinion is fact.

I'm not fking biased. So please stop repeating yourself on something that there IS ZERO evidence of.

Please stop responding to me. You're a pain in the backside and are clueless.

Why would in unbiased observer say "I don't believe you"?

An unbiased observer might either accept the OP's statements or choose to ignore his statements as either true or false and make judgements based on observable information in the video.

There's no crime in saying "I am not sure" or "I cannot tell from that video".

[Driver101]

johnfm said:

The issue is whether there was a step change in acceleration. You mentioned a "change in speed" in the quote above. It is clear you are either confusion speed and acceleration or don't know how to clearly express what you mean.

Your statements in bold are pretty clear really. That's why I highlighted them.

Are you intentially trying to be obtuse, or just trying to nit pick?

As I've said through this thread, I see he accelerates off the lights quickly. His closing speed remains consistent to the van for a number of seconds.

Then at the point the front of the car lifts, suggesting acceleration, just as the Audi is about to come, his acceleration increases and therefore speed increases quicker. This is notable because of the lift, the scenery getting faster and the closing rate on the Fiesta increasing to previous. He ends up closing on the Fiesta unusually quickly and getting closer than I would expect. He hits the brakes once the Audi has got in front, slows a bit and the Fiesta drives off a bit quicker.

How many times are you going to keep going over and over this?

Do you make arguments your own shadow?

[johnfm]

Driver101 said:

johnfm said:

The issue is whether there was a step change in acceleration. You mentioned a "change in speed" in the quote above. It is clear you are either confusion speed and acceleration or don't know how to clearly express what you mean.

Your statements in bold are pretty clear really. That's why I highlighted them.

Are you intentially trying to be obtuse, or just trying to nit pick?

As I've said through this thread, I see he accelerates off the lights quickly. His closing speed remains consistent to the van for a number of seconds.

Then at the point the front of the car lifts, suggesting acceleration, just as the Audi is about to come, his acceleration increases and therefore speed increases quicker. This is notable because of the lift, the scenery getting faster and the closing rate on the Fiesta increasing to previous. He ends up closing on the Fiesta unusually quickly and getting closer than I would expect. He hits the brakes once the Audi has got in front, slows a bit and the Fiesta drives off a bit quicker.

How many times are you going to keep going over and over this?

Do you make arguments your own shadow?

You've made a lot of baseless assertions and I've called you out on them.

I have highlighted your own statements to back up my opinion that you are dressing up your opinions as if they are fact.

I have also highlighted the statement you made indicating your bias against the OP.

If you don't like being put to proof, don't make fact statements based on a poor quality video without caveats.

Sadly it would seem the video is not available.

[Centurion07]

Having done some extensive analysis of the video, I'm actually prepared to change my view and say it's quite possible OP didn't boot it.

I isolated the two frames where I felt this "rise" was most prominent, and the angle of the shadow cast by the lamppost changes quite significantly as OP gets closer to it, a lot more than the position of anything else on the road, creating the illusion of the front of the car lifting.

If you superimpose one image on top of another and switch between the two it creates quite an effect that could be mistaken for OP giving it a bootful.

There's some definite slowing once the Audi's wheel comes into view but that could well be because OP realised he was coming past regardless.





I'm now off to re-evaluate my life.

[Greendubber]

johnfm said:

To be honest, I'm not going to waste effort arguing with people who don't know the difference between velocity and acceleration.

...but 6 boring days later...

johnfm said:

The issue is whether there was a step change in acceleration. You mentioned a "change in speed" in the quote above. It is clear you are either confusion speed and acceleration or don't know how to clearly express what you mean.

Your statements in bold are pretty clear really. That's why I highlighted them.

You're still arguing with people...

[Driver101]

johnfm said:

You've made a lot of baseless assertions and I've called you out on them.

I have highlighted your own statements to back up my opinion that you are dressing up your opinions as if they are fact.

I have also highlighted the statement you made indicating your bias against the OP.

If you don't like being put to proof, don't make fact statements based on a poor quality video without caveats.

Sadly it would seem the video is not available.

The video wasn't poor quality that I watched. It was HD. As I said from the start, I guessed that the people who were struggling to see the later acceleration were watching in low quality.

All you've done through this thread is be awkward and dish out childish insults.

There's countless people, including professionals who call the incident the same as me.

It could be everyone else seeing something that isn't there, or maybe the case is you might not have the judgement you think you have. I'm very much in belief of the second option.

For the last fking time, I'm not fking biased. You can say it 1 million times, you're still wrong. Jesus fking christ. I have no reason to be biased. I've watched the video and listened to the OP. On that basis I don't believe him. That is not a bias for the umpteenth time.

I have given my opinion on what I seen. I've explained over and over why I have that opinion. Why you just want to niggle on and on asking the same things I don't know.

Go pick an argument with someone else who can't see it from your side. I won't respond to you again.

[Countdown]

Let's put ourselves in the Audi drivers seat...

The road signs indicate that the lanes are merging.

Q1. Would you drop behind the Zafira or would you overtake?
Q2. Would you then carry out a second, even riskier, overtake?

I honestly can't tell whether the OP "booted" it or not. If he was genuinely inclined on causing the Audi problems he could theoretically have closed the door on him. But (IMHO) the Audi driver is going to end up seriously injuirng/killing somebody if he continues to drives like that.

[gruffalo]

Countdown said:

Let's put ourselves in the Audi drivers seat...

The road signs indicate that the lanes are merging.

Q1. Would you drop behind the Zafira or would you overtake?
Q2. Would you then carry out a second, even riskier, overtake?

I honestly can't tell whether the OP "booted" it or not. If he was genuinely inclined on causing the Audi problems he could theoretically have closed the door on him. But (IMHO) the Audi driver is going to end up seriously injuirng/killing somebody if he continues to drives like that.

I honestly can't say what I would do as I do not know what the Audi drivers situation was. Had he just had a call from his mums nursing home saying "this is your last chance to see your mum she is going down hill fast get here quick", or was he just in a hurry for some other possibly important reason and he or she would not normally drive like that?

Or was he just driving a like a bit of an idiot?

We don't know and probably never will.

[Ken Figenus]

He was 'just' driving like a huge reckless dangerous idiot WHATEVER his circumstances/excuse. That is one thing EVERYONE can agree on surely. Unforgivable.

[4rephill]

Countdown said:

Let's put ourselves in the Audi drivers seat...

The road signs indicate that the lanes are merging.

Q1. Would you drop behind the Zafira or would you overtake?

From the Audi drivers point of view: "I'd overtake because I drive an Audi!"

Countdown said:

Q2. Would you then carry out a second, even riskier, overtake?

"Yes, because I drive an Audi!"

OP: If you want to join the Stasi generation of motorists, spying on other motorists and grassing them up to the authorities for every single indiscretion they make then just go ahead and do it! - You don't need to ask the PH-massive first if you should.

(And let's be honest, the Audi driver in the footage is driving like a complete (and dangerous) twt!)

I would say though that you'd better be careful not to make any mistakes or errors ever when you're out and about driving, because one day a Stasi motorist might record your indiscretion and decide to report you to the police!

Personally, I find it quite sad that we now live in a World where people are so eager to act as stooges for the authorities in this way, but that's just the way the World is going!

[jbsportstech]

Driver101 said:

The video wasn't poor quality that I watched. It was HD. As I said from the start, I guessed that the people who were struggling to see the later acceleration were watching in low quality.

All you've done through this thread is be awkward and dish out childish insults.

There's countless people, including professionals who call the incident the same as me.

It could be everyone else seeing something that isn't there, or maybe the case is you might not have the judgement you think you have. I'm very much in belief of the second option.

For the last fking time, I'm not fking biased. You can say it 1 million times, you're still wrong. Jesus fking christ. I have no reason to be biased. I've watched the video and listened to the OP. On that basis I don't believe him. That is not a bias for the umpteenth time.

I have given my opinion on what I seen. I've explained over and over why I have that opinion. Why you just want to niggle on and on asking the same things I don't know.

Go pick an argument with someone else who can't see it from your side. I won't respond to you again.

I think previously you stated you had been hung out to dry in your boxster by a zafira when doing a last minute over take on a merge lane. Or was that someone else?


Your comments their suggest maybe a slight basis as this situation is uncanny in the similarities. You have accused the zafira driver i.e. me of hanging the audi out to dry but a last minute nose rise on my zafira and turn of speed in your opinion as the home office and IPCC lead expert of vehicle collisions.