Merseyside policeman struck and killed by stolen vehicle.
Discussion
La Liga said:
e can't tell you because he has no idea, he's just going to dig a big incoherent hole.
get over yourself!I can't tell you because I was not there and don't know,
What I do know is that the net result of all these people/processes is that he was back on the streets in a matter of weeks, so whoever is to blame, it's a fail somewhere.
I'll leave it for you to point the finger at who.
Scuffers said:
I can't tell you because I was not there and don't know.
Exactly. You don't know. So you can't write the following rubbish as if it's conclusive and factual: Scuffers said:
if the Police/CPS/etc had done their jobs properly in the past, this event would simply not have happened.
Maybe if the CPS/Police are subject to prison terms for incompetence, they just might start to actually do their jobs RIGHT in the first place.
Maybe if the CPS/Police are subject to prison terms for incompetence, they just might start to actually do their jobs RIGHT in the first place.
La Liga said:
Scuffers said:
I can't tell you because I was not there and don't know.
Exactly. You don't know. So you can't write the following rubbish as if it's conclusive and factual: Scuffers said:
if the Police/CPS/etc had done their jobs properly in the past, this event would simply not have happened.
Maybe if the CPS/Police are subject to prison terms for incompetence, they just might start to actually do their jobs RIGHT in the first place.
Maybe if the CPS/Police are subject to prison terms for incompetence, they just might start to actually do their jobs RIGHT in the first place.
I do not need to know exactly what the problem is to know there is a problem.
A policeman is DEAD - THATS A PROBLEM,
you tell me who messed it up?
or are you suggesting that nothing went wrong and this is all OK?
It's entirely probable that the previous offences were investigated fully by the Police, prosecuted effectively by the CPS, and sentenced by the courts according to guidelines without anything being particularly exceptional about it.
There's a pretty big gulf between "soft sentencing" and the heavy implication that if we don't lock everyone up (indefinitely?) for any crime, then we aren't doing enough to prevent the hypothetical crimes of the future, especially when as has already been stated there aren't enough prison cells to lock everyone up who nicks a car.
There's a pretty big gulf between "soft sentencing" and the heavy implication that if we don't lock everyone up (indefinitely?) for any crime, then we aren't doing enough to prevent the hypothetical crimes of the future, especially when as has already been stated there aren't enough prison cells to lock everyone up who nicks a car.
Durzel said:
It's entirely probable that the previous offences were investigated fully by the Police, prosecuted effectively by the CPS, and sentenced by the courts according to guidelines without anything being particularly exceptional about it.
that's a pretty poor excuse.I know we are now using the privilege of hindsight, but I am pretty sure the local PC's know he's a complete low-life degenerate that was going to kill somebody sooner or later.
even ignoring that, the sentence for stealing a car, running from the police, crashing it in a crowded area (with the very real potential to injure/kill somebody) get's less time inside than somebody with a completely clean record, then done for speeding.
When are we going to wake up to this issue?
People like this should be un-acceptable to a civilised society, to keep banging on about their rights, due process etc to defend the way we fail miserably to deal with them just encourages more to go that way.
Scuffers said:
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even ignoring that, the sentence for stealing a car, running from the police, crashing it in a crowded area (with the very real potential to injure/kill somebody) get's less time inside than somebody with a completely clean record, then done for speeding.
When are we going to wake up to this issue?
I wasn't aware that speeding carried a prison sentence. even ignoring that, the sentence for stealing a car, running from the police, crashing it in a crowded area (with the very real potential to injure/kill somebody) get's less time inside than somebody with a completely clean record, then done for speeding.
When are we going to wake up to this issue?
Scuffers said:
that's a pretty poor excuse.
I know we are now using the privilege of hindsight, but I am pretty sure the local PC's know he's a complete low-life degenerate that was going to kill somebody sooner or later.
even ignoring that, the sentence for stealing a car, running from the police, crashing it in a crowded area (with the very real potential to injure/kill somebody) get's less time inside than somebody with a completely clean record, then done for speeding.
When are we going to wake up to this issue?
People like this should be un-acceptable to a civilised society, to keep banging on about their rights, due process etc to defend the way we fail miserably to deal with them just encourages more to go that way.
That's a pretty poor post but in line with your previous ones on this thread.I know we are now using the privilege of hindsight, but I am pretty sure the local PC's know he's a complete low-life degenerate that was going to kill somebody sooner or later.
even ignoring that, the sentence for stealing a car, running from the police, crashing it in a crowded area (with the very real potential to injure/kill somebody) get's less time inside than somebody with a completely clean record, then done for speeding.
When are we going to wake up to this issue?
People like this should be un-acceptable to a civilised society, to keep banging on about their rights, due process etc to defend the way we fail miserably to deal with them just encourages more to go that way.
It seems to me that the family of this officer have behaved in a mature and dignified manner. It was almost impossible to watch their pain and distress on the TV but felt I had to continue as if they had made that effort, then so should I.
It is a shame everyone can't emulate the family's response to this horror.
AB said:
The scrote turned up at court smiling with his thumbs up.
Absolute cretin.
Sad thing is that with a certain (admittedly and thankfully small) portion of the local community he will now be a celebrity. That picture of him in the police van grinning away like he was loving the whole thing, what a total sAbsolute cretin.
t. "Wheatland Lane, Wallasey" - why was I not surprised.......Scuffers said:
Look sunshine,
I do not need to know exactly what the problem is to know there is a problem.
You do if you want to specify who is incompetent. If you're making a wider point that we should have a greater number of prisons and thus greater public expense, then fine, but you're not. You're specifically saying the police and CPS messed up when you have no such basis in which to do so. I do not need to know exactly what the problem is to know there is a problem.
Scuffers said:
you tell me who messed it up?
The person who ran the police officer over. Scuffers said:
or are you suggesting that nothing went wrong and this is all OK?
There are prisoners frequently coming in and out of prison. We already imprison the highest proportion of people in Europe and operate at near full capacity on a regular basis. Some of those whom are released from prison will re-offend. Some of them seriously, as may be the case here. It's an inevitability, that unless you lock every one who goes to prison up for the entirety of their life some will be released and re-offend, and on occasions, very seriously re-offend.
Scuffers said:
I know we are now using the privilege of hindsight, but I am pretty sure the local PC's know he's a complete low-life degenerate that was going to kill somebody sooner or later.
I know exactly what you mean. But for some strange reason CPS and the Courts won't accept the evidence of the Psychic Police at face value....charltjr said:
Sad thing is that with a certain (admittedly and thankfully small) portion of the local community he will now be a celebrity. That picture of him in the police van grinning away like he was loving the whole thing, what a total st. "Wheatland Lane, Wallasey" - why was I not surprised.......
Recently moved from Birkenhead... double shock... t. "Wheatland Lane, Wallasey" - why was I not surprised.......Rough as it gets, and sadly Poulton and Seacombe seem to be spreading towards the nicer areas, Wallasey Village etc.
agtlaw said:
Scuffers said:
well, would seem there are quite a few who have been put away for speeding (ie. classed as dangerous driving of the like).
a quick google brings up half a dozen cases..
Dangerous driving carries a potential prison sentence. Speeding (at any speed) doesn't.a quick google brings up half a dozen cases..
Honestly, stop for a second and take a look at yourself..
if you are seriously suggesting that nothing that has been done in the past with this individual, then I strongly suggest you review what exactly the criminal justice system is there for.
Countdown said:
Scuffers said:
I know we are now using the privilege of hindsight, but I am pretty sure the local PC's know he's a complete low-life degenerate that was going to kill somebody sooner or later.
I know exactly what you mean. But for some strange reason CPS and the Courts won't accept the evidence of the Psychic Police at face value....Scuffers said:
if the Police/CPS/etc had done their jobs properly in the past, this event would simply not have happened.
it's all well and good going on about due process, the problem is when said due process is royally f**ked up on a regular basis with the end result being peoples increased misery and in this case death.
how about we start raising charges against the incompetent idiots that have dealt with this individual before?
Maybe if the CPS/Police are subject to prison terms for incompetence, they just might start to actually do their jobs RIGHT in the first place.
errr....Police gather evidence and CPS bring charges.it's all well and good going on about due process, the problem is when said due process is royally f**ked up on a regular basis with the end result being peoples increased misery and in this case death.
how about we start raising charges against the incompetent idiots that have dealt with this individual before?
Maybe if the CPS/Police are subject to prison terms for incompetence, they just might start to actually do their jobs RIGHT in the first place.
Sentencing is a matter for the Courts.
agtlaw said:
Sheepshanks said:
errr....Police gather evidence and CPS bring charges.
Sentencing is a matter for the Courts.
He'll get there eventually. It's just a matter of the slow kid at the back of class catching up.Sentencing is a matter for the Courts.
Yes, it's more of you lot, Judges (and stipendiary Mag's) come from where?
yes, you know, that nice cosy legal profession.
for once, can you not just accept that YOU are part of the system?
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