Tattooed policemen.
Discussion
HantsRat said:
I know many good coppers with tattoos. I don't see how some ink on someones skin can affect the way they work.
As long as it isn't a big 'F*CK' then who cares?
It is not that tattoos will make someone a bad police officer, or a bad anything else. Rather, the issue is that many people find tattoos offensive. As long as it isn't a big 'F*CK' then who cares?
Who cares if I say "F*CK you!" towards someone else in public? It's just sound waves, right? Yet saying it can get me arrested.
A good point has been made in this thread about the subculture of tattoos within the armed forces, and how we ought to respect or at least abide that as we respect the job that the armed forces do to protect us. That is fair enough.
There is however another institutional subculture of tattoos, and that is within the institution of prison. One would think that the Police would want to avoid whenever possible any association - especially any voluntary association - with the lifestyle choices of them inside.
Devil2575 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
xjay1337 said:
I think stars on your face are retarded and make you look like you grew up in a Council estate.
Well I did grow up on a council estate. I don't have any tattoos. But you are judging me because of where I grew up, (which was beyond my control), assuming that makes me a certain type of person, yet it's apparently wrong for me to judge someone because of their tattoos.Funny old world.
Rovinghawk said:
My bricklayers have lots of tattoos on show- no big deal. Same with the bouncer at the local pub.
If my solicitor, doctor or accountant had loads of visible tattoos I'd probably feel differently.
If the police (or anyone else) appear like the first group then they can't expect the societal respect that the second group enjoys.
Sums it up perfectly. People in employment should have the appearance that their customers expect of them. I expect my bank manager to wear a suit, but not my mechanic. If my solicitor, doctor or accountant had loads of visible tattoos I'd probably feel differently.
If the police (or anyone else) appear like the first group then they can't expect the societal respect that the second group enjoys.
Just to put this out there, a lot of people find tall bald men with big muscles intimidating or it raises questions about the type of person they are (not me of course)
Should they be demonised by society the same way people with tattoos are?
Or a police officer who eats healthy, doesn't smoke and excercises often but is overweight due to their genes?
Should they be demonised by society the same way people with tattoos are?
flemke said:
No doubt the vast majority of people with tattoos are just as good or bad as everyone else. It is however true that, in contrast to race, religion, etc., tattoos are not inherent and inescapable in the circumstances of one's birth.
Since when was religious preference inescapable and inherent of one's birth?austinsmirk said:
what about if you are a fat tat covered PC ?
Always wondered why plod are allowed to get fat, surely it impedes their ability to catch 9 stone council estate tracksuited rats ?
No, I don't agree with tattoo's either. We all have our own views, that's part of the rich tapestry of life.
Who's more fit? A police officer who smokes, eats junk food and never exercises but is slim because of their genes.Always wondered why plod are allowed to get fat, surely it impedes their ability to catch 9 stone council estate tracksuited rats ?
No, I don't agree with tattoo's either. We all have our own views, that's part of the rich tapestry of life.
Or a police officer who eats healthy, doesn't smoke and excercises often but is overweight due to their genes?
Retroman said:
flemke said:
No doubt the vast majority of people with tattoos are just as good or bad as everyone else. It is however true that, in contrast to race, religion, etc., tattoos are not inherent and inescapable in the circumstances of one's birth.
Since when was religious preference inescapable and inherent of one's birth?Retroman said:
Who's more fit? A police officer who smokes, eats junk food and never exercises but is slim because of their genes.
Or a police officer who eats healthy, doesn't smoke and excercises often but is overweight due to their genes?
I'm naturally big built. I am also fat.Or a police officer who eats healthy, doesn't smoke and excercises often but is overweight due to their genes?
I'm fat because I like a good old nosh. Nothing to do with being naturally big.
That's a fat persons excuse.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Rovinghawk said:
My bricklayers have lots of tattoos on show- no big deal. Same with the bouncer at the local pub.
If my solicitor, doctor or accountant had loads of visible tattoos I'd probably feel differently.
If the police (or anyone else) appear like the first group then they can't expect the societal respect that the second group enjoys.
Sums it up perfectly. People in employment should have the appearance that their customers expect of them. I expect my bank manager to wear a suit, but not my mechanic. If my solicitor, doctor or accountant had loads of visible tattoos I'd probably feel differently.
If the police (or anyone else) appear like the first group then they can't expect the societal respect that the second group enjoys.
Retroman said:
Just to put this out there, a lot of people find tall bald men with big muscles intimidating or it raises questions about the type of person they are (not me of course)
Should they be demonised by society the same way people with tattoos are?
Being tall is not a lifestyle choice. Being bald also isn't, although not being bald and shaving your head is. Having big muscles is.Should they be demonised by society the same way people with tattoos are?
Some people don't like the shaven headed muscular look and think people who choose that look are t
ts. That's entirely their choice and they are perfectly entitled to distrust them or avoid them. We don't have thought crime in this country. Anyone is free to think badly of another person for the choices they adopt in their clothing or appearance.
Your appearance is your statement to the rest of humanity.
People have preconceptions based on what they see and they're beliefs built on past experience etc.
If you dress like a prat then the majority of other people will see you as a prat; except perhaps other prats.
Tattoos were a means of identification for conscripts, convicts etc. and, like it or not, as such carry certain stereotype interpretations.
Organisations often require dress codes of their staff in order to portray an image (airlines etc. etc.) and recognise that first impression are made by sight (loads of research on this).
I suspect that most Police Forces would prefer officers did not display tattoos but Human Rights and employment regulation prevent them making an issue.
There are going to be some very funny shaped images when the individual gets older and everything slides south at different rates.
People have preconceptions based on what they see and they're beliefs built on past experience etc.
If you dress like a prat then the majority of other people will see you as a prat; except perhaps other prats.
Tattoos were a means of identification for conscripts, convicts etc. and, like it or not, as such carry certain stereotype interpretations.
Organisations often require dress codes of their staff in order to portray an image (airlines etc. etc.) and recognise that first impression are made by sight (loads of research on this).
I suspect that most Police Forces would prefer officers did not display tattoos but Human Rights and employment regulation prevent them making an issue.
There are going to be some very funny shaped images when the individual gets older and everything slides south at different rates.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Rovinghawk said:
My bricklayers have lots of tattoos on show- no big deal. Same with the bouncer at the local pub.
If my solicitor, doctor or accountant had loads of visible tattoos I'd probably feel differently.
If the police (or anyone else) appear like the first group then they can't expect the societal respect that the second group enjoys.
Sums it up perfectly. People in employment should have the appearance that their customers expect of them. I expect my bank manager to wear a suit, but not my mechanic. If my solicitor, doctor or accountant had loads of visible tattoos I'd probably feel differently.
If the police (or anyone else) appear like the first group then they can't expect the societal respect that the second group enjoys.
La Liga said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Rovinghawk said:
My bricklayers have lots of tattoos on show- no big deal. Same with the bouncer at the local pub.
If my solicitor, doctor or accountant had loads of visible tattoos I'd probably feel differently.
If the police (or anyone else) appear like the first group then they can't expect the societal respect that the second group enjoys.
Sums it up perfectly. People in employment should have the appearance that their customers expect of them. I expect my bank manager to wear a suit, but not my mechanic. If my solicitor, doctor or accountant had loads of visible tattoos I'd probably feel differently.
If the police (or anyone else) appear like the first group then they can't expect the societal respect that the second group enjoys.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Devil2575 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
xjay1337 said:
I think stars on your face are retarded and make you look like you grew up in a Council estate.
Well I did grow up on a council estate. I don't have any tattoos. But you are judging me because of where I grew up, (which was beyond my control), assuming that makes me a certain type of person, yet it's apparently wrong for me to judge someone because of their tattoos.Funny old world.
I know people do judge, and they shouldn't.
If life has taught me anything it is not to judge a book by it's cover and get to know people before judging them.
Rovinghawk said:
La Liga said:
omes across as a little, "tattoos are for the proles" to me.
When the PM & Royal Family are covered in tattoos I'll accept your position. Until then I'll maintain mine.k about the PM or the Royal family.I also have tattoos although because I understand that people do judge I keep them covered up at work. I also used to have my head shaved, and not because I was going bald. In fact I wnet from long hair to no hair, both of which caused people to judge me.
The simple fact is that people shouldn't judge on the basis of appearance or any other superficial trait for that matter. However it is a free country and that it there choice.
I'm far more concerned about how people behave than how they look.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Rovinghawk said:
When the PM & Royal Family are covered in tattoos I'll accept your position. Until then I'll maintain mine.
The PM's wife has one! So the madness is spreading.newspapers have regularly carried stories since the late 19th century saying the same thing "although we associate tattoos with sailors and prisoners, lots of posh types are getting them these days"
xjay1337 said:
Retroman said:
Who's more fit? A police officer who smokes, eats junk food and never exercises but is slim because of their genes.
Or a police officer who eats healthy, doesn't smoke and excercises often but is overweight due to their genes?
I'm naturally big built. I am also fat.Or a police officer who eats healthy, doesn't smoke and excercises often but is overweight due to their genes?
I'm fat because I like a good old nosh. Nothing to do with being naturally big.
That's a fat persons excuse.
, funny how they're only ever possessed by people with a liking for pies and an aversion to exercise. Yes you can be a bit heavy and still quite fit just like you can be skinny and unfit but both of these are sub-optimal and a consequence of how you treat your body.Personally I don't mind a few tatoos on a police officer so long as they're not ridiculous and they look smart otherwise. Frankly I think more police officers should be big muscular blokes, when I see short fat blokes and small women in police uniforms it worries me rather. With the best will in the world if a <8 stone woman tried to arrest me and I didn't want to be arrested then it's not going to work, how do they do the job required of them?
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