University degree required to join the police

University degree required to join the police

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DonkeyApple

54,919 posts

168 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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sparkythecat said:
I think that's what the Specials were for
Until PC Savage arrested Neville for being in possession of large lips.

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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sparkythecat said:
Rather than burden the police forces with this cost, why not, in common with most other professions, get the would be recruits, to go and pay for their own training at a university?

Edited by sparkythecat on Saturday 14th November 10:43
Because a degree is a nice transferable qualification, unless you mean a 'I want to be a policeperson' degree. Which at £50,000 might produce a rather skewed pool of candidates for a job which isn't well paid, has some awful working conditions and promotion prospects.

IanA2

2,762 posts

161 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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Denis O said:
Degrees are so dumbed down from what they were 30 years ago I guess it would now be the equivalent of a CSE grade 6.
That unfortunately is the case. With honourable exceptions, most education factories are churning out sub standard goods.

Greendubber

13,128 posts

202 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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Eclassy said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805856

I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.

A few examples of how a degree will help:

In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.

Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.

Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
Yawn

Pete317

1,430 posts

221 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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eldar said:
Because a degree is a nice transferable qualification, unless you mean a 'I want to be a policeperson' degree. Which at £50,000 might produce a rather skewed pool of candidates for a job which isn't well paid, has some awful working conditions and promotion prospects.
That might be a reason to want a degree, but it's not a reason for the police to require a degree.

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

136 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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Spend 30 grand plus to get a degree to start a job earning about 19 grand a year to start. Or spend 3 grand to get your hgv c+e and start off on 25 grand plus.



TheBear

1,940 posts

245 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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Police hater in bitter no life shocker. Everyone laughs at him and then moves on. Police hater stays bitter and wastes his life looking for the next chance to post some more bitterness. Tragic how they can't see the wood for the trees.

PorkInsider

5,877 posts

140 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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Greendubber said:
Eclassy said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805856

I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.

A few examples of how a degree will help:

In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.

Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.

Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
Yawn
Oh come one. You've got to credit that with more than a yawn, surely?

It's not every day that someone points out others' failures at spelling in a post littered with spelling and grammatical errors.

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Zoobeef

6,004 posts

157 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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Eclassy said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805856

I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.

A few examples of how a degree will help:

In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.

Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.

Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
You weren't attacked.

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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Pete317 said:
That might be a reason to want a degree, but it's not a reason for the police to require a degree.
Agreed. Degree requirement would exclude many very suitable candidates with real life experience.

zarjaz1991

3,470 posts

122 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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TheBear said:
Police hater in bitter no life shocker. Everyone laughs at him and then moves on. Police hater stays bitter and wastes his life looking for the next chance to post some more bitterness. Tragic how they can't see the wood for the trees.
I've sometimes been classed as a "police hater" but I disagree vehemently with the original post in this thread.

Pete317

1,430 posts

221 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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eldar said:
Eclassy said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805856

I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.

A few examples of how a degree will help:

In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.

Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.

Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
interprete? unlawfull?
He evidently doesn't have a degree hehe

valiant

10,064 posts

159 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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How would a media studies degree make someone a better copper?

Another idiot proposal.

sparkythecat

7,898 posts

254 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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eldar said:
sparkythecat said:
Rather than burden the police forces with this cost, why not, in common with most other professions, get the would be recruits, to go and pay for their own training at a university?

Edited by sparkythecat on Saturday 14th November 10:43
Because a degree is a nice transferable qualification, unless you mean a 'I want to be a policeperson' degree. Which at £50,000 might produce a rather skewed pool of candidates for a job which isn't well paid, has some awful working conditions and promotion prospects.
One could say the same of the nursing profession, for which a nursing degree has been a prerequisite for some time now.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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sparkythecat said:
I think that's what the Specials were for.

Police forces used to recruit people and then send them to training schools for 3 months full time training. This is very expensive. Given the drop out rates during both this, and the first two years of probationary service, involving further training, it was also wasteful.

Rather than burden the police forces with this cost, why not, in common with most other professions, get the would be recruits, to go and pay for their own training at a university?

Edited by sparkythecat on Saturday 14th November 10:43
or like student Health professionals on a bursary which is far less than the NMW despite half the proggrammed time being working under supervision ..

Eclassy

Original Poster:

1,201 posts

121 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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Apart from the medical profession and maybe engineers, no one really needs a degree. In most occupations you can learn everything on the job.

If teachers require degrees to teach primary and secondary school students. Can you please articulate your arguments against police officers having a degree?

To soften the financial impact on potential officers, you can go the professional accounting qualification route i.e. recruit people as officers and mandate it that they pass the profesaional police exams or obtain a degree within 3 years. This should be partly funded by the police. In those 3 years they should be limited to certain roles e.g custody suite, police station desks, manning scamera vans e.t.c






anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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I see no correlation between the quality of a police officer and whether or not they have a degree. The idea graduates will magically do X, Y and Z is wholly naive and purely speculative.

The police should, as far as is reasonably possible, be recruiting from as far and wide as possible. Anything that limits this is concerning. Asking for graduates only will limit this.

Eclassy said:
If teachers require degrees to teach primary and secondary school students. Can you please articulate your arguments against police officers having a degree?
Because it's not broken so don't fix it. As above, it limits the recruiting. Under-represented BME communities are less likely to have a degree / obtain one.

Where's the actual evidence having people with degrees with make any difference?

Eclassy said:
This should be partly funded by the police.
The police are flushed with money at the moment.

Greendubber

13,128 posts

202 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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Eclassy said:
Apart from the medical profession and maybe engineers, no one really needs a degree. In most occupations you can learn everything on the job.

If teachers require degrees to teach primary and secondary school students. Can you please articulate your arguments against police officers having a degree?

To soften the financial impact on potential officers, you can go the professional accounting qualification route i.e. recruit people as officers and mandate it that they pass the profesaional police exams or obtain a degree within 3 years. This should be partly funded by the police. In those 3 years they should be limited to certain roles e.g custody suite, police station desks, manning scamera vans e.t.
What planet are you on.

Eclassy

Original Poster:

1,201 posts

121 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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La Liga said:
he police are flushed with money at the moment.
I agree. Any force that spends £13m over 3 years guarding an embassy and has 29 officers inveatigating a cold case, is not lacking funds.

valiant

10,064 posts

159 months

Saturday 14th November 2015
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Eclassy said:
La Liga said:
he police are flushed with money at the moment.
I agree. Any force that spends £13m over 3 years guarding an embassy and has 29 officers inveatigating a cold case, is not lacking funds.
Both of which are being massively scaled back due to budget constraints.