University degree required to join the police
Discussion
sparkythecat said:
Rather than burden the police forces with this cost, why not, in common with most other professions, get the would be recruits, to go and pay for their own training at a university?
Because a degree is a nice transferable qualification, unless you mean a 'I want to be a policeperson' degree. Which at £50,000 might produce a rather skewed pool of candidates for a job which isn't well paid, has some awful working conditions and promotion prospects.Edited by sparkythecat on Saturday 14th November 10:43
Eclassy said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805856
I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.
A few examples of how a degree will help:
In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.
Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.
Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
Yawn I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.
A few examples of how a degree will help:
In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.
Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.
Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
eldar said:
Because a degree is a nice transferable qualification, unless you mean a 'I want to be a policeperson' degree. Which at £50,000 might produce a rather skewed pool of candidates for a job which isn't well paid, has some awful working conditions and promotion prospects.
That might be a reason to want a degree, but it's not a reason for the police to require a degree.Greendubber said:
Eclassy said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805856
I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.
A few examples of how a degree will help:
In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.
Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.
Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
Yawn I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.
A few examples of how a degree will help:
In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.
Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.
Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
It's not every day that someone points out others' failures at spelling in a post littered with spelling and grammatical errors.
Eclassy said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805856
I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.
A few examples of how a degree will help:
In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.
Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.
Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
You weren't attacked.I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.
A few examples of how a degree will help:
In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.
Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.
Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
TheBear said:
Police hater in bitter no life shocker. Everyone laughs at him and then moves on. Police hater stays bitter and wastes his life looking for the next chance to post some more bitterness. Tragic how they can't see the wood for the trees.
I've sometimes been classed as a "police hater" but I disagree vehemently with the original post in this thread.eldar said:
Eclassy said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805856
I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.
A few examples of how a degree will help:
In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.
Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.
Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
interprete? unlawfull? I think it is a fantastic idea. It wont completely stop morons and illiterates from joining but it will weed out a lot of them.
A few examples of how a degree will help:
In university you are exposed to interacting and working with people from all backgrounds so officers with degrees are more likely to be prejudiced.
Officers will be able to read and write. If the officer who obtained a warrant to raid my house could read and maybe do a little bit of critical thinking, he would have realised it was the wrong place. When I was attacked in my much publicised video and went to give a statement, the officer's writing was not only terrible, it was littered with spelling mistakes. I remember telling him the assailant 'alighted' from his vehicle and he asked me what that meant.
Officers with a degree will also be able to better interprete the law and as such do no more than they are empowered to do. This should lead to a reduction in unlawfull arrests.
eldar said:
sparkythecat said:
Rather than burden the police forces with this cost, why not, in common with most other professions, get the would be recruits, to go and pay for their own training at a university?
Because a degree is a nice transferable qualification, unless you mean a 'I want to be a policeperson' degree. Which at £50,000 might produce a rather skewed pool of candidates for a job which isn't well paid, has some awful working conditions and promotion prospects.Edited by sparkythecat on Saturday 14th November 10:43
sparkythecat said:
I think that's what the Specials were for.
Police forces used to recruit people and then send them to training schools for 3 months full time training. This is very expensive. Given the drop out rates during both this, and the first two years of probationary service, involving further training, it was also wasteful.
Rather than burden the police forces with this cost, why not, in common with most other professions, get the would be recruits, to go and pay for their own training at a university?
or like student Health professionals on a bursary which is far less than the NMW despite half the proggrammed time being working under supervision .. Police forces used to recruit people and then send them to training schools for 3 months full time training. This is very expensive. Given the drop out rates during both this, and the first two years of probationary service, involving further training, it was also wasteful.
Rather than burden the police forces with this cost, why not, in common with most other professions, get the would be recruits, to go and pay for their own training at a university?
Edited by sparkythecat on Saturday 14th November 10:43
Apart from the medical profession and maybe engineers, no one really needs a degree. In most occupations you can learn everything on the job.
If teachers require degrees to teach primary and secondary school students. Can you please articulate your arguments against police officers having a degree?
To soften the financial impact on potential officers, you can go the professional accounting qualification route i.e. recruit people as officers and mandate it that they pass the profesaional police exams or obtain a degree within 3 years. This should be partly funded by the police. In those 3 years they should be limited to certain roles e.g custody suite, police station desks, manning scamera vans e.t.c
If teachers require degrees to teach primary and secondary school students. Can you please articulate your arguments against police officers having a degree?
To soften the financial impact on potential officers, you can go the professional accounting qualification route i.e. recruit people as officers and mandate it that they pass the profesaional police exams or obtain a degree within 3 years. This should be partly funded by the police. In those 3 years they should be limited to certain roles e.g custody suite, police station desks, manning scamera vans e.t.c
I see no correlation between the quality of a police officer and whether or not they have a degree. The idea graduates will magically do X, Y and Z is wholly naive and purely speculative.
The police should, as far as is reasonably possible, be recruiting from as far and wide as possible. Anything that limits this is concerning. Asking for graduates only will limit this.
Where's the actual evidence having people with degrees with make any difference?
The police should, as far as is reasonably possible, be recruiting from as far and wide as possible. Anything that limits this is concerning. Asking for graduates only will limit this.
Eclassy said:
If teachers require degrees to teach primary and secondary school students. Can you please articulate your arguments against police officers having a degree?
Because it's not broken so don't fix it. As above, it limits the recruiting. Under-represented BME communities are less likely to have a degree / obtain one. Where's the actual evidence having people with degrees with make any difference?
Eclassy said:
This should be partly funded by the police.
The police are flushed with money at the moment. Eclassy said:
Apart from the medical profession and maybe engineers, no one really needs a degree. In most occupations you can learn everything on the job.
If teachers require degrees to teach primary and secondary school students. Can you please articulate your arguments against police officers having a degree?
To soften the financial impact on potential officers, you can go the professional accounting qualification route i.e. recruit people as officers and mandate it that they pass the profesaional police exams or obtain a degree within 3 years. This should be partly funded by the police. In those 3 years they should be limited to certain roles e.g custody suite, police station desks, manning scamera vans e.t.
What planet are you on.If teachers require degrees to teach primary and secondary school students. Can you please articulate your arguments against police officers having a degree?
To soften the financial impact on potential officers, you can go the professional accounting qualification route i.e. recruit people as officers and mandate it that they pass the profesaional police exams or obtain a degree within 3 years. This should be partly funded by the police. In those 3 years they should be limited to certain roles e.g custody suite, police station desks, manning scamera vans e.t.
Eclassy said:
La Liga said:
he police are flushed with money at the moment.
I agree. Any force that spends £13m over 3 years guarding an embassy and has 29 officers inveatigating a cold case, is not lacking funds.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff