NSL - 60 or 70mph
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speedking31 said:
VX Foxy said:
It's worrying that people with driving licenses don't know the answer to this.
So do you have to slow down to 60 here? It's not always clear cut.speedking31 said:
V8LM said:
Mr E said:
What's the speed limit on a single lane, one way NSL road (as there's no chance of oncoming traffic)?
60.Swervin_Mervin said:
speedking31 said:
VX Foxy said:
It's worrying that people with driving licenses don't know the answer to this.
So do you have to slow down to 60 here? It's not always clear cut.ziggy328 said:
... the test is if you can roll a ball from kerb to kerb then it's a single.
isn't strictly correct either then.speedking31 said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
speedking31 said:
VX Foxy said:
It's worrying that people with driving licenses don't know the answer to this.
So do you have to slow down to 60 here? It's not always clear cut.ziggy328 said:
... the test is if you can roll a ball from kerb to kerb then it's a single.
isn't strictly correct either then.V8LM said:
jurbie said:
I think some of the confusion is caused by the definition of a physical divide. Does there have to be a bit of armco or is a strip of grass acceptable?
I would assume a strip of grass is a physical divide but I've met plenty who claim it isn't which I would imagine makes driving on roads where the armco suddenly stops only to reappear several 100 yards later an interesting experience.
https://goo.gl/maps/8iubDK6xQeC2
Central reservation is a physical divide.I would assume a strip of grass is a physical divide but I've met plenty who claim it isn't which I would imagine makes driving on roads where the armco suddenly stops only to reappear several 100 yards later an interesting experience.
https://goo.gl/maps/8iubDK6xQeC2
VX Foxy said:
It's worrying that people with driving licenses don't know the answer to this.
It's kind of interesting when you read the highway code as the dual carriageway definition is under the multi-lane carriageway section implying that you need multi-lanes to have one.Also I can't find an official reference to rolling a ball across.
According to a quote elsewhere it could be a flat gap between the carriageways ("land")...
The LEGAL definition as laid down in the Interpretations of meanings for Traffic Signs and General directions regulations 2002
""central reservation" means -
(a) any land between the carriageways of a road comprising two carriageways; or
(b) any permanent work (other than a traffic island) in the carriageway of a road,
which separates the carriageway or, as the case may be, the part of the carriageway which is to be used by traffic moving in one direction from the carriageway or part of the carriageway which is to be used (whether at all times or at particular times only) by traffic moving in the other direction; "
and
""dual carriageway road" means a road which comprises a central reservation and "all-purpose dual carriageway road" means a dual carriageway road which is not a motorway; "
Number of lanes to a carriagway has no bearing on the classification of the carriageway. There are plenty of examples of multi laned, single carriageways around the country, and several examples of single laned, dual carriageways too.
BertBert said:
Also I can't find an official reference to rolling a ball across.
You won't I don't think I used it as an example to answer the question. It does however hold true. A carriageway is defined as a separate road not a lane as you say. The roads therefore need to be separated by something more substantial than road markings. Generally speaking therefore the thing causing the separation would generally stop a ball from reaching the other side. Including carrots!
ziggy328 said:
You won't I don't think I used it as an example to answer the question. It does however hold true. A carriageway is defined as a separate road not a lane as you say. The roads therefore need to be separated by something more substantial than road markings. Generally speaking therefore the thing causing the separation would generally stop a ball from reaching the other side. Including carrots!
Temporary traffic cones would stop a ball rolling across the carriageway but my understanding is that that isn't enough to make it a dual carriageway. A strip of grass or land or any form of proper barrier certainly is though.TwigtheWonderkid said:
ziggy328 said:
You won't I don't think I used it as an example to answer the question. It does however hold true. A carriageway is defined as a separate road not a lane as you say. The roads therefore need to be separated by something more substantial than road markings. Generally speaking therefore the thing causing the separation would generally stop a ball from reaching the other side. Including carrots!
Temporary traffic cones would stop a ball rolling across the carriageway but my understanding is that that isn't enough to make it a dual carriageway. A strip of grass or land or any form of proper barrier certainly is though.TwigtheWonderkid said:
ziggy328 said:
You won't I don't think I used it as an example to answer the question. It does however hold true. A carriageway is defined as a separate road not a lane as you say. The roads therefore need to be separated by something more substantial than road markings. Generally speaking therefore the thing causing the separation would generally stop a ball from reaching the other side. Including carrots!
Temporary traffic cones would stop a ball rolling across the carriageway but my understanding is that that isn't enough to make it a dual carriageway. A strip of grass or land or any form of proper barrier certainly is though.I would say that 90% of drivers out there have no idea whether they are on a single or dual carriageway, nor do they care because they don't realise that different speed limits apply. As for that road sign consisting of a white disc with a black diagonal line through it - I'd say most have no clue what it means, let alone an understanding of this concept called "National Speed Limit".
They need to know:
- the difference between a single and dual carriageway
- that there is such a thing as a national speed limit
- that the national speed limit varies depending on the type of road AND the type of vehicle they are driving
- when the national speed limit applies
- what the actual limit is
There are far too many variables for the majority of people who drive only to get from A to B without any interest or enjoyment in the act of driving itself. You could say that people must know these things in order to pass their driving test, but in my experience this is one area where I think the vast majority are clueless. I'd bet any traffic cop would back me up on that assertion.
They need to know:
- the difference between a single and dual carriageway
- that there is such a thing as a national speed limit
- that the national speed limit varies depending on the type of road AND the type of vehicle they are driving
- when the national speed limit applies
- what the actual limit is
There are far too many variables for the majority of people who drive only to get from A to B without any interest or enjoyment in the act of driving itself. You could say that people must know these things in order to pass their driving test, but in my experience this is one area where I think the vast majority are clueless. I'd bet any traffic cop would back me up on that assertion.
Sushifiend said:
I would say that 90% of drivers out there have no idea whether they are on a single or dual carriageway, nor do they care because they don't realise that different speed limits apply. As for that road sign consisting of a white disc with a black diagonal line through it - I'd say most have no clue what it means, let alone an understanding of this concept called "National Speed Limit".
They need to know:
- the difference between a single and dual carriageway
- that there is such a thing as a national speed limit
- that the national speed limit varies depending on the type of road AND the type of vehicle they are driving
- when the national speed limit applies
- what the actual limit is
There are far too many variables for the majority of people who drive only to get from A to B without any interest or enjoyment in the act of driving itself. You could say that people must know these things in order to pass their driving test, but in my experience this is one area where I think the vast majority are clueless. I'd bet any traffic cop would back me up on that assertion.
My speed awareness course brought this home - most people seemed to have no idea what speed limits applied where and to what vehicles. They need to know:
- the difference between a single and dual carriageway
- that there is such a thing as a national speed limit
- that the national speed limit varies depending on the type of road AND the type of vehicle they are driving
- when the national speed limit applies
- what the actual limit is
There are far too many variables for the majority of people who drive only to get from A to B without any interest or enjoyment in the act of driving itself. You could say that people must know these things in order to pass their driving test, but in my experience this is one area where I think the vast majority are clueless. I'd bet any traffic cop would back me up on that assertion.
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