NSL - 60 or 70mph

[matchmaker]

JonV8V said:

While we're on the subject, the speed limit on a dual carriage with street lights is 30 unless signed differently. I know some people who think it's always 70 unless signed (they forget regular street lights are in effect a sign except on motorways)

Really? So I'm hurstling down the A9 here at 70mph:




and have to slam on the anchors down to 30mph because street lights appear?
I don't think so, as otherwise I'd have had hundreds of speeding tickets from the Gatso that used to be there!

[JonV8V]

matchmaker said:

JonV8V said:

While we're on the subject, the speed limit on a dual carriage with street lights is 30 unless signed differently. I know some people who think it's always 70 unless signed (they forget regular street lights are in effect a sign except on motorways)

Really? So I'm hurstling down the A9 here at 70mph:




and have to slam on the anchors down to 30mph because street lights appear?
I don't think so, as otherwise I'd have had hundreds of speeding tickets from the Gatso that used to be there!

Street lights (ie regular street lights spaced 100yards apart or less) require signage for NSL - why else would they need to use NSL repeaters down the majority of the A38 between Derby and Lichfield as just one example? (I tried a screen grab on an example but it won't upload).

Edited by JonV8V on Wednesday 18th November 13:36

[Sushifiend]

matchmaker said:

JonV8V said:

While we're on the subject, the speed limit on a dual carriage with street lights is 30 unless signed differently. I know some people who think it's always 70 unless signed (they forget regular street lights are in effect a sign except on motorways)

Really? So I'm hurstling down the A9 here at 70mph:




and have to slam on the anchors down to 30mph because street lights appear?
I don't think so, as otherwise I'd have had hundreds of speeding tickets from the Gatso that used to be there!

The speed limit on a dual carriageway doesn't suddenly become 30 just because street lighting is installed at that location. A change in speed limit has to be signed by a large round speed limit sign. The presence of the street lighting just means that smaller repeater signs every so often are not necessary. If any side roads join the DC in the restricted zone, then they would have a speed limit sign visible before the junction.

[JonV8V]

Sushifiend said:

The speed limit on a dual carriageway doesn't suddenly become 30 just because street lighting is installed at that location. A change in speed limit has to be signed by a large round speed limit sign. The presence of the street lighting just means that smaller repeater signs every so often are not necessary. If any side roads join the DC in the restricted zone, then they would have a speed limit sign visible before the junction.

A 30 doesn't become a 30 without a sign anywhere really does it? I don't really think it's any different? Where there are street lights, except on a motorway, you need to sign inc repeater for any speed other than 30

Find yourself in a stretch of dual carriage way with street lights and no repeaters what is the speed limit? This the test.

[ModernAndy]

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[BertBert]

Sushifiend said:

The speed limit on a dual carriageway doesn't suddenly become 30 just because street lighting is installed at that location. A change in speed limit has to be signed by a large round speed limit sign. The presence of the street lighting just means that smaller repeater signs every so often are not necessary. If any side roads join the DC in the restricted zone, then they would have a speed limit sign visible before the junction.

However to be correctly signed there needs to be NSL repeaters on the lights.

[scarble]

So there's a section of the A5 which looks like DC, quacks like a DC etc, but merges in and out with no signage and there's a pedestrian crossing, not on the road, but there are bumpy slabs and drop kerbs, but no actual path other than the bit between the carriageways.

I asked my CBT instructor about this, was addamant it's 60 for a single lane but seperatted carriageway.

[Cliftonite]

scarble said:

So there's a section of the A5 which looks like DC, quacks like a DC etc, but merges in and out with no signage and there's a pedestrian crossing, not on the road, but there are bumpy slabs and drop kerbs, but no actual path other than the bit between the carriageways.

I asked my CBT instructor about this, was addamant it's 60 for a single lane but seperatted carriageway.

That is 70 mph without a shadow of doubt.

What is wrong with these people?

[FiF]

Cliftonite said:

scarble said:

So there's a section of the A5 which looks like DC, quacks like a DC etc, but merges in and out with no signage and there's a pedestrian crossing, not on the road, but there are bumpy slabs and drop kerbs, but no actual path other than the bit between the carriageways.

I asked my CBT instructor about this, was addamant it's 60 for a single lane but seperatted carriageway.

That is 70 mph without a shadow of doubt.

What is wrong with these people?

Seconded, a DC. No idea what's wrong with his instructor.

[VX Foxy]

How could anyone think that's not a dc? A 'professional' too...there's no hope

[twister]

scarble said:

I asked my CBT instructor about this, was addamant it's 60 for a single lane but seperatted carriageway.

The GSV imagery here has a 2011 capture date, so things *could* have changed since then, but if not then...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5037983,-1.33047...

[scarble]

Should clarify, I don't think it was that exact section I asked about, more the general case of two single lanes with a seperating barrier/kerby/grassybit, though I still consider that a DC.
On that particular bit of A5 there is a sign, I've evidently picked the wrong bit, I'm sure there are bits of the A5 where the central grass comes and goes with no signage?
eta: from "GSV" that stretch is really well signed actually.
Perhaps my objection to that stretch then is that every time I've driven it I've been the only one doing 70.
etaa: The next stretch is well signed too! I'm just being daft
I feel for the person who lives right at the start of the next stretch though, imagine going in and out of that drive, slip road going in but no slip road pulling out.

Edited by scarble on Friday 20th November 10:06