Assisted suicide..
Discussion
TwigtheWonderkid said:
And this is the argument for not allowing voluntary euthanasia. Society has a duty to protect people, especially the vulnerable, often from themselves. If people are opting for suicide when they don't actually want to die, just to protect their assets for the next generation, then society needs to step in and stop that from happening.
Well, actually, this could be a reason to ensure that the state doesn't nick assets "to protect the vulnerable"....Problem solved.
Jasandjules said:
Well, actually, this could be a reason to ensure that the state doesn't nick assets "to protect the vulnerable"....
Problem solved.
The state isn't "nicking assets" its making sure people pay their way, when they have received thousands of pounds worth of services. Or would you prefer them being left to die on their own sProblem solved.
tting all over themself and dieing from having a fall and being undiscovered until they start to smell or one of their crotchfruit cone round to see what they can get? Where did this expectance of a big inheritace come from anyway, these spoiled fked up brats should go make something of their own life not sit there holding their hand out all the time.Can't believe the OP is 47. I'd assumed from these threads that he was a spotty teenager.
My mum sold the family home years ago and has spent most of the money enjoying her retirement. It was her house, her money.
The fact that myself and my siblings have all stood on our own two feet probably helped as she felt we'd all made our own way in life.
My mum sold the family home years ago and has spent most of the money enjoying her retirement. It was her house, her money.
The fact that myself and my siblings have all stood on our own two feet probably helped as she felt we'd all made our own way in life.
swerni said:
ModernAndy said:
swerni said:
hang on, your opening words
" Following on from my last thread about having to lose the family home if my mother has to go into care for an extended period, I want to discuss the other options.
My mother, who is quite healthy at the moment, would like to leave me her house.
If she ends up going into care, the local authority will take the value out of her house to pay for her care.
Her choice would be to take a one way trip to a Swiss clinic and leave her asset to me."
Everything you've said is about you keeping hold of mummies house either via fraud or knocking her off.
In fairness to the OP, I think they have poorly worded the initial post rather than anything else. That's why I said earlier that a few of us were taking the piss just based on the grammar of the question and that I doubt most of us actually believe the house is the only issue." Following on from my last thread about having to lose the family home if my mother has to go into care for an extended period, I want to discuss the other options.
My mother, who is quite healthy at the moment, would like to leave me her house.
If she ends up going into care, the local authority will take the value out of her house to pay for her care.
Her choice would be to take a one way trip to a Swiss clinic and leave her asset to me."
Everything you've said is about you keeping hold of mummies house either via fraud or knocking her off.
Jasandjules said:
Well, actually, this could be a reason to ensure that the state doesn't nick assets "to protect the vulnerable"....
Problem solved.
Nobody is nicking anything. The state are refusing to providing something free to someone who can afford to buy it. That doesn't seem that wrong to me. Problem solved.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Jasandjules said:
Well, actually, this could be a reason to ensure that the state doesn't nick assets "to protect the vulnerable"....
Problem solved.
Nobody is nicking anything. The state are refusing to providing something free to someone who can afford to buy it. That doesn't seem that wrong to me. Problem solved.
Bringing this vaguely back on topic: the OP seems to be seeking an illness for his mother which is acute - needing carers quite a few times a day - and which will be funded by the NHS while she remains at home needing care? NHS-funded means it isn't means-tested 
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As another poster on here commented a few years back, such NHS-care-funded clients are "basket cases". My late wife Helen was one such... But the 2 carers 4 times a day cost us NOWT for several months
. Anonymous people turning up in pairs to wipe her arse (and wash everywhere else) on a regular basis - turning her left and right on an NHS-supplied adjustable bed - and removing an NHS-supplied Adult Nappy at the start and fitting another one a few minutes later after wiping and washing each visit...
Actually, no - we got super-absorbent Adult Nappies from a local supplier (at our own cost) and had the carers apply them every night in anticipation of the extra "flow" during the night... Didn't always work, but there you go! Imagine buying nappies for your wife??
Helen was tetraplegic, bed-bound, had a feeding tube into her stomach (with a feeding machine to suit which I controlled) because she couldn't swallow, couldn't speak (we communicated using closed questions "eyes up for yes, eyes down for no" stuff & latterly via an eTran Frame), it went on...
I managed 18 months of this journey, half of it at home and the other half in a local hospital (but not half-and-half/end-of, rather more random with most of the time in hospital time at the start and rather less at the end) until she passed on. I was Helen's carer 24/7 at home, we had a "baby alarm" so I could be on-call when I went to bed (hopefully to sleep) at night... Carrying out mouth/throat-suction at 4AM is for winners... *snore*
Been widowed 17-and-a-bit-months now - I was first widowed in Feb 2003 (Helen's passing was the second time
). I am pretty jaded generally, but threads like this mix my metaphors ...
Not sure where this is going
- but the OP needs to get a serious grip, in conjuction with stepping outside to have a serious word with him/herself?
(& ) .As another poster on here commented a few years back, such NHS-care-funded clients are "basket cases". My late wife Helen was one such... But the 2 carers 4 times a day cost us NOWT for several months
. Anonymous people turning up in pairs to wipe her arse (and wash everywhere else) on a regular basis - turning her left and right on an NHS-supplied adjustable bed - and removing an NHS-supplied Adult Nappy at the start and fitting another one a few minutes later after wiping and washing each visit...Actually, no - we got super-absorbent Adult Nappies from a local supplier (at our own cost) and had the carers apply them every night in anticipation of the extra "flow" during the night... Didn't always work, but there you go! Imagine buying nappies for your wife??
Helen was tetraplegic, bed-bound, had a feeding tube into her stomach (with a feeding machine to suit which I controlled) because she couldn't swallow, couldn't speak (we communicated using closed questions "eyes up for yes, eyes down for no" stuff & latterly via an eTran Frame), it went on...
I managed 18 months of this journey, half of it at home and the other half in a local hospital (but not half-and-half/end-of, rather more random with most of the time in hospital time at the start and rather less at the end) until she passed on. I was Helen's carer 24/7 at home, we had a "baby alarm" so I could be on-call when I went to bed (hopefully to sleep) at night... Carrying out mouth/throat-suction at 4AM is for winners... *snore*
Been widowed 17-and-a-bit-months now - I was first widowed in Feb 2003 (Helen's passing was the second time
). I am pretty jaded generally, but threads like this mix my metaphors ...Not sure where this is going
- but the OP needs to get a serious grip, in conjuction with stepping outside to have a serious word with him/herself?TwigtheWonderkid said:
Jasandjules said:
Well, actually, this could be a reason to ensure that the state doesn't nick assets "to protect the vulnerable"....
Problem solved.
Nobody is nicking anything. The state are refusing to providing something free to someone who can afford to buy it. That doesn't seem that wrong to me. Problem solved.
All the more difficult to understand as for many of the people I know who have this attitude, a significant proportion of their 'wealth' is the huge tax-free 'profit' that they made on their house. The very same people who used to glibly brag that 'my house is earning more than I do', and now whinge that they are 'being taxed twice'. Don't think so.
Interestingly, many of the super rich are not obsessed about inheritance and leave their offspring very little to make their own way in life.
Me personally I'd rather sell the house and put the money into her care
How can anyone be that money or asset orientated to bump off a parent either assisted or whatever
If your mother is vulnerable then you need to protect her from herself not agree for her to go and kill herself
I'd much rather have my parents than bricks n mortar
How can anyone be that money or asset orientated to bump off a parent either assisted or whatever
If your mother is vulnerable then you need to protect her from herself not agree for her to go and kill herself
I'd much rather have my parents than bricks n mortar
lee_fr200 said:
Me personally I'd rather sell the house and put the money into her care
How can anyone be that money or asset orientated to bump off a parent either assisted or whatever
If your mother is vulnerable then you need to protect her from herself not agree for her to go and kill herself
I'd much rather have my parents than bricks n mortar
Its hard to believe that some people need that explaining. These people are the only reason we exist.How can anyone be that money or asset orientated to bump off a parent either assisted or whatever
If your mother is vulnerable then you need to protect her from herself not agree for her to go and kill herself
I'd much rather have my parents than bricks n mortar
I think some people underestimate the human desire to live. My old mate who is now 86 led an incredibly active life until about 18 months ago on boxing day he had a fall and after hospital has spent the last 6 months in a bed in a care home. He is on a catheter and needs a adult diaper but he doesn't want to go just yet and enjoys the visits he has. His wife died suddenly just two months ago yet he has shown no self pity and tries very hard to be optimistic and talks about getting out and coming home.
lee_fr200 said:
Me personally I'd rather sell the house and put the money into her care
How can anyone be that money or asset orientated to bump off a parent either assisted or whatever
If your mother is vulnerable then you need to protect her from herself not agree for her to go and kill herself
I'd much rather have my parents than bricks n mortar
But, she doesn't want to go into care..so you are suggesting I sell the house to force her to go into a care home against her wishes. How can anyone be that money or asset orientated to bump off a parent either assisted or whatever
If your mother is vulnerable then you need to protect her from herself not agree for her to go and kill herself
I'd much rather have my parents than bricks n mortar
And she is not vulnerable, she is perfectly healthy and of sound mind..she recently had a little health scare though and it made her start thinking about wills/ power of attorney etc. she booked an appointment to go see a solicitor but he was a little vague so I thought I would ask on here..big mistake
And to answer other people's question, I don't Still live at home but I recently sold my house and moved up to Scotland for work, seeing as she already lived up here it made sense to pool our resources. I pay a reasonable rent so she is able to have a higher quality of life, and I don't have to go shopping
Assisted suicide would be her preference, and that is what this thread was supposed to be about, the other thread was about the actual options that are available which ( when the time comes) is for me to become a full time carer or for her to into care, against her wishes...
It is a lose lose situation, she loses her house and her independence, and my siblings and I lose the inheritance she would like to pass down to us, and we would like her to pass down to us, obviously..
It is a lose lose situation, she loses her house and her independence, and my siblings and I lose the inheritance she would like to pass down to us, and we would like her to pass down to us, obviously..
Shuvi McTupya said:
But, she doesn't want to go into care..so you are suggesting I sell the house to force her to go into a care home against her wishes.
Nobody WANTS to go into a care home... The question is whether she is able to still live at home - and a large part of that is what support and care she can get at home.Shuvi McTupya said:
And to answer other people's question, I don't Still live at home but I recently sold my house and moved up to Scotland for work, seeing as she already lived up here it made sense to pool our resources. I pay a reasonable rent so she is able to have a higher quality of life, and I don't have to go shopping
So you don't live with your mother, you just... live with your mother. Who does all your shopping for you.TooMany2cvs said:
Shuvi McTupya said:
But, she doesn't want to go into care..so you are suggesting I sell the house to force her to go into a care home against her wishes.
Nobody WANTS to go into a care home... The question is whether she is able to still live at home - and a large part of that is what support and care she can get at home.Shuvi McTupya said:
And to answer other people's question, I don't Still live at home but I recently sold my house and moved up to Scotland for work, seeing as she already lived up here it made sense to pool our resources. I pay a reasonable rent so she is able to have a higher quality of life, and I don't have to go shopping
So you don't live with your mother, you just... live with your mother. Who does all your shopping for you.desolate said:
How do you know she will need long term full time care?
Loads of people don't need that.
Either by dying early or being well until relatively close to their death.
We both hope you are right! Just trying to figure out what options are available really.Loads of people don't need that.
Either by dying early or being well until relatively close to their death.
Plan for the worst but hope for the best and all that..
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