Assisted suicide..
Discussion
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I don't disagree. The problem is, when someone says they want to die, do they really want to die, or are they just reluctant to be a burden or anxious to make sure wee Hamish McSporran gets the hoose and it's not eaten up in care fees.
If somebody would rather die than lose everything they worked for in care fees, why is their decision wrong?amusingduck said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I don't disagree. The problem is, when someone says they want to die, do they really want to die, or are they just reluctant to be a burden or anxious to make sure wee Hamish McSporran gets the hoose and it's not eaten up in care fees.
If somebody would rather die than lose everything they worked for in care fees, why is their decision wrong?TwigtheWonderkid said:
amusingduck said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I don't disagree. The problem is, when someone says they want to die, do they really want to die, or are they just reluctant to be a burden or anxious to make sure wee Hamish McSporran gets the hoose and it's not eaten up in care fees.
If somebody would rather die than lose everything they worked for in care fees, why is their decision wrong?Shuvi McTupya said:
Tomorrow I will put up a picture of me and her which will prove my point.she is cool as f
k and miles away from death or losing her marbles..
And PH has turned into American Pie....k and miles away from death or losing her marbles..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBN_SUfW2OM
amusingduck said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
amusingduck said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I don't disagree. The problem is, when someone says they want to die, do they really want to die, or are they just reluctant to be a burden or anxious to make sure wee Hamish McSporran gets the hoose and it's not eaten up in care fees.
If somebody would rather die than lose everything they worked for in care fees, why is their decision wrong?I'm all in favour of the terminally ill and those in pain from having a way out, but it's very difficult to allow that whilst protecting people who feel obliged to end it for financial reasons.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I'm all in favour of the terminally ill and those in pain from having a way out, but it's very difficult to allow that whilst protecting people who feel obliged to end it for financial reasons.
I don't think this is as difficult as you think, there are many clear cut cases where long-term extreme suffering before death is the only path left for someone. We should start with those and absolutely separate the debate about other motivations for assisted suicide.From about 6-weeks prior to my father's death there was a point where everyone was aware what the outcome would be, and there was no way this was ambiguous about why assisted suicide at a point after that would be to end suffering. From about 2 weeks before his death I would have done anything to stop his suffering and it was a daming verdicy on the "humanity" of our society that someone was forced to suffer in that way.
GreigM said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I'm all in favour of the terminally ill and those in pain from having a way out, but it's very difficult to allow that whilst protecting people who feel obliged to end it for financial reasons.
I don't think this is as difficult as you think, When I speak to those who are against euthanasia, apart from the religious nutcases, most people don't want the terminally ill to suffer and die a long drawn out death in pain. Their concern is about line drawing and people feeling obligated or being pressurised by others to end it when it may not be what they actually want.
TooMany2cvs said:
GreigM said:
From about 2 weeks before his death I would have done anything to stop his suffering
So, umm, why didn't you?I very much doubt there would have been too much of an investigation.
Just to clarify a couple of points as many of you have got confused.
My mother would not go down the Dignitas route just so her family could inherit the house, she would do it so she didn't have to suffer the indignity of being a burden as she has always been very independent.
While some of you don't think that is a good enough reason, she does, and it is her life!
I didn't bring the subject up, she has made her position clear since I was old enough to understand, we visited her mother in various care facilities for years and she doesn't want to go down that route..neither do I.
Looking for advice on how to keep the house after her death is an entirely different issue.
My mother would not go down the Dignitas route just so her family could inherit the house, she would do it so she didn't have to suffer the indignity of being a burden as she has always been very independent.
While some of you don't think that is a good enough reason, she does, and it is her life!
I didn't bring the subject up, she has made her position clear since I was old enough to understand, we visited her mother in various care facilities for years and she doesn't want to go down that route..neither do I.
Looking for advice on how to keep the house after her death is an entirely different issue.
Someone who is genuinely suffering (in pain) ought to be given increasing doses of morphine. I doubt that in palliative care this doesn't already happen.
It's important to disambiguate between someone suffering and the family suffering through observing them in their final moments. The latter is horrible, for sure, but someone on sufficient morphine won't be in physical pain, even if their body is exhibiting all of the appearances of shutting down - e.g. death rattle, etc.
Drawing a line in the sand and legalising euthanasia opens up all sorts of issues in terms of how you correctly determine someone is making a decision of their own free will, and in many cases when it's at the stage where it would be considered - they may well already be incapable of making that decision (in as far as the Law requires a person to be of sound mind and body).
For what it's worth I'm in favour of assisted suicide, but I appreciate that it is far from simple to implement it safely, perhaps impossible.
It's important to disambiguate between someone suffering and the family suffering through observing them in their final moments. The latter is horrible, for sure, but someone on sufficient morphine won't be in physical pain, even if their body is exhibiting all of the appearances of shutting down - e.g. death rattle, etc.
Drawing a line in the sand and legalising euthanasia opens up all sorts of issues in terms of how you correctly determine someone is making a decision of their own free will, and in many cases when it's at the stage where it would be considered - they may well already be incapable of making that decision (in as far as the Law requires a person to be of sound mind and body).
For what it's worth I'm in favour of assisted suicide, but I appreciate that it is far from simple to implement it safely, perhaps impossible.
Shuvi McTupya said:
Just to clarify a couple of points as many of you have got confused.
My mother would not go down the Dignitas route just so her family could inherit the house, she would do it so she didn't have to suffer the indignity of being a burden as she has always been very independent.
Looking for advice on how to keep the house after her death is an entirely different issue.
Strange how a thread on one has led to a thread on the other, then.My mother would not go down the Dignitas route just so her family could inherit the house, she would do it so she didn't have to suffer the indignity of being a burden as she has always been very independent.
Looking for advice on how to keep the house after her death is an entirely different issue.
swerni said:
hang on, your opening words
" Following on from my last thread about having to lose the family home if my mother has to go into care for an extended period, I want to discuss the other options.
My mother, who is quite healthy at the moment, would like to leave me her house.
If she ends up going into care, the local authority will take the value out of her house to pay for her care.
Her choice would be to take a one way trip to a Swiss clinic and leave her asset to me."
Everything you've said is about you keeping hold of mummies house either via fraud or knocking her off.
In fairness to the OP, I think they have poorly worded the initial post rather than anything else. That's why I said earlier that a few of us were taking the piss just based on the grammar of the question and that I doubt most of us actually believe the house is the only issue." Following on from my last thread about having to lose the family home if my mother has to go into care for an extended period, I want to discuss the other options.
My mother, who is quite healthy at the moment, would like to leave me her house.
If she ends up going into care, the local authority will take the value out of her house to pay for her care.
Her choice would be to take a one way trip to a Swiss clinic and leave her asset to me."
Everything you've said is about you keeping hold of mummies house either via fraud or knocking her off.
Should be looking to get the best possible care and spend as much as you possibly can afford and yes that might mean selling the house some people have nothing to sell and have to go into the most awful care homes.
This is exactly the sort of reasoning that stops assisted suicides becoming lawful.
This is exactly the sort of reasoning that stops assisted suicides becoming lawful.
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