Reasonable use of garage?
Discussion
Just out of interest, are you storing things in the garage? You mention logs and boxes. The stuff you put in the opening post from your neighbour claims that the garage is for a single car only. That makes me wonder what your lease says if anything about the garage? If no such restrictions have been passed on to you, then it gets more interesting!
However...
What about knocking on his door to have a chat and see if he'll talk sensibly?
Bert
However...
What about knocking on his door to have a chat and see if he'll talk sensibly?
Bert
Jonleeper said:
Apparently so. I opened the garage, turned on the light and put 3 logs and a couple of boxes in, turned off the light and closed the door. I did but my bags, a suit and some paperwork in my house, oh and my work laptop. Not sure how that was unreasonable but, hey, I'm the idiot who thought that by not saying anything he did t have a problem. Oh well I'm not sure how the landlords solicitors will react but I hope I get a shed soon!
The neighbour is on nights but complains about something happening at 10pm??
I'd check out the "solicitors" letter. The second letter sounds even more daft than the first. What next, wearing a loud shirt in a built up area after 11pm
Hand delivery would have BS alarm bells ringing for me. No conversation when the letter is handed over??
Might be worth asking around a few other neighbours to see if this character has previous on complaining.
Wingo
I'd check out the "solicitors" letter. The second letter sounds even more daft than the first. What next, wearing a loud shirt in a built up area after 11pm
Hand delivery would have BS alarm bells ringing for me. No conversation when the letter is handed over??
Might be worth asking around a few other neighbours to see if this character has previous on complaining.
Wingo
Wingo said:
The neighbour is on nights but complains about something happening at 10pm??
I'd check out the "solicitors" letter. The second letter sounds even more daft than the first. What next, wearing a loud shirt in a built up area after 11pm
Hand delivery would have BS alarm bells ringing for me. No conversation when the letter is handed over??
Might be worth asking around a few other neighbours to see if this character has previous on complaining.
Wingo
Being in possession of an offensive wifeI'd check out the "solicitors" letter. The second letter sounds even more daft than the first. What next, wearing a loud shirt in a built up area after 11pm
Hand delivery would have BS alarm bells ringing for me. No conversation when the letter is handed over??
Might be worth asking around a few other neighbours to see if this character has previous on complaining.
Wingo
Loitering with intent to use a zebra crossing
I really don't want to escalate this more than necessary but I think he's being a title now. Having spoken to some of the other neighbours he's described as "very quiet" or not really noticed!
There was no conversation this time he just handed me the letter and walked away. I didn't try to stop him as I asumed it was something to do with the original complaint.
Unfortunately my landlord has gone quiet on the shed so I really hope he's not going to take the hump and try and push it by not giving me one. All I want to do is go back to turning a few bits of wood into matchsticks! I was actually looking to see if I could fit theatre inside the house, but the mess really.needs an uncarpeted actually do furnished space.
Jon
There was no conversation this time he just handed me the letter and walked away. I didn't try to stop him as I asumed it was something to do with the original complaint.
Unfortunately my landlord has gone quiet on the shed so I really hope he's not going to take the hump and try and push it by not giving me one. All I want to do is go back to turning a few bits of wood into matchsticks! I was actually looking to see if I could fit theatre inside the house, but the mess really.needs an uncarpeted actually do furnished space.
Jon
IANAL - The guy seems a bit mental if all the above is a true reflection of events.
If the lease says that the garage is for storage of a car, I would be really tempted to empty everything out of the garage and park the car in there. That would necesetate opening and closing the door, starting the car etc, whenever you went out or came back.
By the sounds of it, that would send the fella over the edge, but is exactly what the garage is for and so he would have zero grounds to complain, surely (I am sure he would still have a go, but you would be 100% 'clean').
If the lease says that the garage is for storage of a car, I would be really tempted to empty everything out of the garage and park the car in there. That would necesetate opening and closing the door, starting the car etc, whenever you went out or came back.
By the sounds of it, that would send the fella over the edge, but is exactly what the garage is for and so he would have zero grounds to complain, surely (I am sure he would still have a go, but you would be 100% 'clean').
t that makes me want to work harder and get a house where no-one in the vicinity gives a sSump said:
BertBert said:
J
What about knocking on his door to have a chat and see if he'll talk sensibly?
Bert
It's not like neighbour couldn't have knocked on OPs door. The guy is clearly a pisstaker.What about knocking on his door to have a chat and see if he'll talk sensibly?
Bert
BertBert said:
Sump said:
BertBert said:
What about knocking on his door to have a chat and see if he'll talk sensibly?
Bert
It's not like neighbour couldn't have knocked on OPs door. The guy is clearly a pisstaker.Bert
Indeed it would probably give rise to yet another complaint. It would go something like this.
The OP receives yet another letter containing the following sentence.
You already know that I work shifts. I was asleep and your action woke me up. I consider this totally unacceptable!
On the evidence we have so far, the neighbour appears to be a a tad unhinged.
Of course we don't have his version of events but that possibility seems rather remote.
BertBert said:
It's not in the OP's control to get the neighbour to knock on his door!
Even if he had, given the neighbour's penchant for letter writing I doubt that he would.Is all of this just some sort of prelude to retracting the lease of the garage? As in, the chap wants his garage back and is seeking to fabricate a reason to break the lease and get it back?
Seems most odd.
Anyway, I think we can all agree that this thread is useless without at least some pictures of the offending woodwork for us to gawp at, criticise and/or laugh about.
Seems most odd.
Anyway, I think we can all agree that this thread is useless without at least some pictures of the offending woodwork for us to gawp at, criticise and/or laugh about.
Jonleeper said:
Unfortunately my landlord has gone quiet on the shed so I really hope he's not going to take the hump and try and push it by not giving me one.
Jon
Surely if you're renting the house it's up to you to supply a shed? It's just up to the landlord to give, or deny permission.Jon
Some advice pleae, simply because I'm interested!
The owner of my property has now written to me and we are discussing a shed in the garden. This means that I'm completely out of the loop with the legal side of this. So I am not turning in the garage, yes I've stopped and will not be starting again.
Now the owner has stated that the power and light was installed prior to them purchasing the property. They form part of the estate agents listing! She does not have a copy of the written consent but lived in the house for a couple of years and got on well with the owners of the flat above during this time. Now she is aware that the flat has been sold at least twice since she's owned the property.
My question is this. Does the current flat owner have the legal right to force the owner of my property to remove the power and light? It was definately fitted at the time that they purchased the flat and they have made no move to get it removed until now. Now I'm sure that the lawyers for each side will claim that they're correct but if the power was already fitted, and had been there for a significanticant period of time, then surely his right to complain has to be limited after the event?
Hopefully I'll get back to turning soon in a completly legal shed at the bottom of the garden!
The owner of my property has now written to me and we are discussing a shed in the garden. This means that I'm completely out of the loop with the legal side of this. So I am not turning in the garage, yes I've stopped and will not be starting again.
Now the owner has stated that the power and light was installed prior to them purchasing the property. They form part of the estate agents listing! She does not have a copy of the written consent but lived in the house for a couple of years and got on well with the owners of the flat above during this time. Now she is aware that the flat has been sold at least twice since she's owned the property.
My question is this. Does the current flat owner have the legal right to force the owner of my property to remove the power and light? It was definately fitted at the time that they purchased the flat and they have made no move to get it removed until now. Now I'm sure that the lawyers for each side will claim that they're correct but if the power was already fitted, and had been there for a significanticant period of time, then surely his right to complain has to be limited after the event?
Hopefully I'll get back to turning soon in a completly legal shed at the bottom of the garden!
Jonleeper said:
Some advice pleae, simply because I'm interested!
The owner of my property has now written to me and we are discussing a shed in the garden. This means that I'm completely out of the loop with the legal side of this. So I am not turning in the garage, yes I've stopped and will not be starting again.
Now the owner has stated that the power and light was installed prior to them purchasing the property. They form part of the estate agents listing! She does not have a copy of the written consent but lived in the house for a couple of years and got on well with the owners of the flat above during this time. Now she is aware that the flat has been sold at least twice since she's owned the property.
My question is this. Does the current flat owner have the legal right to force the owner of my property to remove the power and light? It was definately fitted at the time that they purchased the flat and they have made no move to get it removed until now. Now I'm sure that the lawyers for each side will claim that they're correct but if the power was already fitted, and had been there for a significanticant period of time, then surely his right to complain has to be limited after the event?
Hopefully I'll get back to turning soon in a completly legal shed at the bottom of the garden!
I'm not sure I'd rely on anything written by an Estate Agent as remotely correct or legal and as a Landlord I'd probably go for the easier option and just say you can't use the power. You could be gone after 6 months and I'd be left to deal with a load of moaning neighbours. The owner of my property has now written to me and we are discussing a shed in the garden. This means that I'm completely out of the loop with the legal side of this. So I am not turning in the garage, yes I've stopped and will not be starting again.
Now the owner has stated that the power and light was installed prior to them purchasing the property. They form part of the estate agents listing! She does not have a copy of the written consent but lived in the house for a couple of years and got on well with the owners of the flat above during this time. Now she is aware that the flat has been sold at least twice since she's owned the property.
My question is this. Does the current flat owner have the legal right to force the owner of my property to remove the power and light? It was definately fitted at the time that they purchased the flat and they have made no move to get it removed until now. Now I'm sure that the lawyers for each side will claim that they're correct but if the power was already fitted, and had been there for a significanticant period of time, then surely his right to complain has to be limited after the event?
Hopefully I'll get back to turning soon in a completly legal shed at the bottom of the garden!
Also, have you mentioned to your Landlord about what you want the shed for?
You run the risk of pissing the entire group of neighbours - sheds aren't known for their sound deadening qualities...
Jonleeper said:
Some advice pleae, simply because I'm interested!
The owner of my property has now written to me and we are discussing a shed in the garden. This means that I'm completely out of the loop with the legal side of this. So I am not turning in the garage, yes I've stopped and will not be starting again.
Now the owner has stated that the power and light was installed prior to them purchasing the property. They form part of the estate agents listing! She does not have a copy of the written consent but lived in the house for a couple of years and got on well with the owners of the flat above during this time. Now she is aware that the flat has been sold at least twice since she's owned the property.
My question is this. Does the current flat owner have the legal right to force the owner of my property to remove the power and light? It was definately fitted at the time that they purchased the flat and they have made no move to get it removed until now. Now I'm sure that the lawyers for each side will claim that they're correct but if the power was already fitted, and had been there for a significanticant period of time, then surely his right to complain has to be limited after the event?
Hopefully I'll get back to turning soon in a completly legal shed at the bottom of the garden!
Depends so much on what the Lease says...... But there's probably a bar on it.The owner of my property has now written to me and we are discussing a shed in the garden. This means that I'm completely out of the loop with the legal side of this. So I am not turning in the garage, yes I've stopped and will not be starting again.
Now the owner has stated that the power and light was installed prior to them purchasing the property. They form part of the estate agents listing! She does not have a copy of the written consent but lived in the house for a couple of years and got on well with the owners of the flat above during this time. Now she is aware that the flat has been sold at least twice since she's owned the property.
My question is this. Does the current flat owner have the legal right to force the owner of my property to remove the power and light? It was definately fitted at the time that they purchased the flat and they have made no move to get it removed until now. Now I'm sure that the lawyers for each side will claim that they're correct but if the power was already fitted, and had been there for a significanticant period of time, then surely his right to complain has to be limited after the event?
Hopefully I'll get back to turning soon in a completly legal shed at the bottom of the garden!
If she's not got it in writing I think she's probably bang to rights. Informal consent is not the same as written consent.
surveyor said:
Jonleeper said:
Some advice pleae, simply because I'm interested!
The owner of my property has now written to me and we are discussing a shed in the garden. This means that I'm completely out of the loop with the legal side of this. So I am not turning in the garage, yes I've stopped and will not be starting again.
Now the owner has stated that the power and light was installed prior to them purchasing the property. They form part of the estate agents listing! She does not have a copy of the written consent but lived in the house for a couple of years and got on well with the owners of the flat above during this time. Now she is aware that the flat has been sold at least twice since she's owned the property.
My question is this. Does the current flat owner have the legal right to force the owner of my property to remove the power and light? It was definately fitted at the time that they purchased the flat and they have made no move to get it removed until now. Now I'm sure that the lawyers for each side will claim that they're correct but if the power was already fitted, and had been there for a significanticant period of time, then surely his right to complain has to be limited after the event?
Hopefully I'll get back to turning soon in a completly legal shed at the bottom of the garden!
Depends so much on what the Lease says...... But there's probably a bar on it.The owner of my property has now written to me and we are discussing a shed in the garden. This means that I'm completely out of the loop with the legal side of this. So I am not turning in the garage, yes I've stopped and will not be starting again.
Now the owner has stated that the power and light was installed prior to them purchasing the property. They form part of the estate agents listing! She does not have a copy of the written consent but lived in the house for a couple of years and got on well with the owners of the flat above during this time. Now she is aware that the flat has been sold at least twice since she's owned the property.
My question is this. Does the current flat owner have the legal right to force the owner of my property to remove the power and light? It was definately fitted at the time that they purchased the flat and they have made no move to get it removed until now. Now I'm sure that the lawyers for each side will claim that they're correct but if the power was already fitted, and had been there for a significanticant period of time, then surely his right to complain has to be limited after the event?
Hopefully I'll get back to turning soon in a completly legal shed at the bottom of the garden!
If she's not got it in writing I think she's probably bang to rights. Informal consent is not the same as written consent.
Note I am not looking for an excuse to use the garage just trying to understand what the legal position is. And if its worth trying to dig out the earliest deeds I can find for my own house and see if I can benefit from anything 150 years after it was done! ☺☺☺☺☺
northwest monkey said:
Jonleeper said:
Some advice pleae, simply because I'm interested!
The owner of my property has now written to me and we are discussing a shed in the garden. This means that I'm completely out of the loop with the legal side of this. So I am not turning in the garage, yes I've stopped and will not be starting again.
Now the owner has stated that the power and light was installed prior to them purchasing the property. They form part of the estate agents listing! She does not have a copy of the written consent but lived in the house for a couple of years and got on well with the owners of the flat above during this time. Now she is aware that the flat has been sold at least twice since she's owned the property.
My question is this. Does the current flat owner have the legal right to force the owner of my property to remove the power and light? It was definately fitted at the time that they purchased the flat and they have made no move to get it removed until now. Now I'm sure that the lawyers for each side will claim that they're correct but if the power was already fitted, and had been there for a significanticant period of time, then surely his right to complain has to be limited after the event?
Hopefully I'll get back to turning soon in a completly legal shed at the bottom of the garden!
I'm not sure I'd rely on anything written by an Estate Agent as remotely correct or legal and as a Landlord I'd probably go for the easier option and just say you can't use the power. You could be gone after 6 months and I'd be left to deal with a load of moaning neighbours. The owner of my property has now written to me and we are discussing a shed in the garden. This means that I'm completely out of the loop with the legal side of this. So I am not turning in the garage, yes I've stopped and will not be starting again.
Now the owner has stated that the power and light was installed prior to them purchasing the property. They form part of the estate agents listing! She does not have a copy of the written consent but lived in the house for a couple of years and got on well with the owners of the flat above during this time. Now she is aware that the flat has been sold at least twice since she's owned the property.
My question is this. Does the current flat owner have the legal right to force the owner of my property to remove the power and light? It was definately fitted at the time that they purchased the flat and they have made no move to get it removed until now. Now I'm sure that the lawyers for each side will claim that they're correct but if the power was already fitted, and had been there for a significanticant period of time, then surely his right to complain has to be limited after the event?
Hopefully I'll get back to turning soon in a completly legal shed at the bottom of the garden!
Also, have you mentioned to your Landlord about what you want the shed for?
You run the risk of pissing the entire group of neighbours - sheds aren't known for their sound deadening qualities...
As for a shed no-one other than Me x upstairs is at all bothered by me turning in a garage with the door open within 10 feet of their properties, I'm fairly certain that they won't be bothered by me turning in an insulated shed 30 feet away at the bottom of the garden! And I am bloody certain that me turning at 2000hrs is less disturbing than listening to my neighbours shouting at their kids or each other at 0100hrs! I don't company!ain though as, unless I hear screams of pain, its just part of living in a relatively new semi-detached with walls like paper, and one of the reason my own home has proper brick internal walls.
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