Reasonable use of garage?
Discussion
have done conveyancing in the past and now running a letting agency. we see this sort of thing quite often. We also used to look after a number of large blocks of flats.
Its a garage and as you have copied its meant to be used only as a domestic garage. not a work shop of any kind or play room for the kids or utility room for appliances. Power ? dont know need to read the lease/freehold but again this sort of garage with flat above is often provided without power sockets and restricted as such for the purpose of not making the garage anything else but a garage. But thats a breach for your landlord current owner to worry about.
Other have said about a washing machine. In some of the blocs of flats we looked after the lease would have restrictions for noise which would often state about washing machine use stopping by x time or other noise disturbances etc.
Carpeted floors was another condition etc there were loads of restrictions to try and get the flats to be a nice place to live.
The flats would also have garages under them as well - same thing applied - storage of non commercial vehicles only. You would have people trying to repair cars by having engines out, electrical equipment, etc all of which in breach of the lease. It does affect the insurance as well. People would try to store highly flammable things in electrical cupboards, communal areas, in the garage area.
I think what you have asked your LL for a shed is the best option. I dont see the neighbour getting his sol to write to you as an issues - perhaps not the most friendly thing to do first off but he is probably pissed off already with you.
I would write back and explain you have never seen the restrictions, apologies for the inconvenience and say that you have asked your landlord for a shed to carry on there. Be very happy for the neighbour to say hello when he sees you again.
You sound sensible not to let this deteriorate. ha "please do not let this situation deteriorate any further" - often my favourite line in a closing letter.....
Its a garage and as you have copied its meant to be used only as a domestic garage. not a work shop of any kind or play room for the kids or utility room for appliances. Power ? dont know need to read the lease/freehold but again this sort of garage with flat above is often provided without power sockets and restricted as such for the purpose of not making the garage anything else but a garage. But thats a breach for your landlord current owner to worry about.
Other have said about a washing machine. In some of the blocs of flats we looked after the lease would have restrictions for noise which would often state about washing machine use stopping by x time or other noise disturbances etc.
Carpeted floors was another condition etc there were loads of restrictions to try and get the flats to be a nice place to live.
The flats would also have garages under them as well - same thing applied - storage of non commercial vehicles only. You would have people trying to repair cars by having engines out, electrical equipment, etc all of which in breach of the lease. It does affect the insurance as well. People would try to store highly flammable things in electrical cupboards, communal areas, in the garage area.
I think what you have asked your LL for a shed is the best option. I dont see the neighbour getting his sol to write to you as an issues - perhaps not the most friendly thing to do first off but he is probably pissed off already with you.
I would write back and explain you have never seen the restrictions, apologies for the inconvenience and say that you have asked your landlord for a shed to carry on there. Be very happy for the neighbour to say hello when he sees you again.
You sound sensible not to let this deteriorate. ha "please do not let this situation deteriorate any further" - often my favourite line in a closing letter.....
Edited by superlightr on Thursday 26th November 15:38
mgtony said:
The bloke above doesn't have a problem with the door opening or a car being parked in the garage. He doesn't want to listen to woodwork machinery all evening.
OP should rent a place with its own integral garage where it wont affect anyone else.
This. 100% this.OP should rent a place with its own integral garage where it wont affect anyone else.
It's the 'nice' thing to do. Had I thought about doing what the op was doing, my very first thought would have been for the person who lived above and I would have looked at other options. If there were no other options, I wouldn't have done it.
superlightr said:
Be very happy for the neighbour to say hello when he sees you again.
Why? the neigbours acted like a complete arse in handling this situation. I'd be very happy if he just stayed out my way after behaving like that let alone making pleasantries. He had the chance to say hello and talk to OP about the situation before getting a solicitor to do it.
mgtony said:
"I have deliberately kept the turning to reasonable hours, I've always stopped before 2100hrs and I don't turn every evening. I don't play music whilst I turn and several of the neighbours stop and chat as they walk past. I have never had and single complaint"
I wouldn't call running a lathe most evenings up to 9pm reasonable. Especially directly underneath someone else's living accommodation.
This. I wouldn't call running a lathe most evenings up to 9pm reasonable. Especially directly underneath someone else's living accommodation.
I used to live in a mews very similar to the one your unfortunate neighbour lives in.
If my neighbour was doing some noisy hobby in there I would have been livid. You're being unsensitive with this. People like to come home and relax, no noise or vibrations.
You're not doing a bit of diy or fixing your car, this is a hobby but should be done somewhere you are not affecting the neighbours.
mgtony said:
OP should rent a place with its own integral garage where it wont affect anyone else.
Or maybe the neighbour should rent a place without someone elses garage below it. While i have sympathy for his situation and understand why the neighbour is complaining just because he does shift work doesn't mean the world stops when he wants a sleep.R8Steve said:
Or maybe the neighbour should rent a place without someone elses garage below it. While i have sympathy for his situation and understand why the neighbour is complaining just because he does shift work doesn't mean the world stops when he wants a sleep.
It misses a massive point though. He lives above a garage that should not have any power, to derisk exactly this issue.
What's the betting the power sockets are drawing from a lighting circuit?
Vaud said:
R8Steve said:
Or maybe the neighbour should rent a place without someone elses garage below it. While i have sympathy for his situation and understand why the neighbour is complaining just because he does shift work doesn't mean the world stops when he wants a sleep.
It misses a massive point though. He lives above a garage that should not have any power, to derisk exactly this issue.
What's the betting the power sockets are drawing from a lighting circuit?
Overlooking where the power is coming from, what if the OP had a generator running instead in the absence of power?
My point is the neighbour can't realistically expect no noise during the day. He can probably use the terms of the lease to get the use of the garage stopped but will moving to a shed at the back of the property solve the problem? He'll probably still hear it. What of people cutting the grass, children playing and shouting, etc, etc. I used to stay right next to a large football ground, a lot of noise was generated from it but i never wrote to my solicitor to tell them to stop playing football. If you want complete silence you need to choose your house accordingly imo.
R8Steve said:
If you want complete silence you need to choose your house accordingly imo.
Really? Was probably all the guy could get a mortgage on within reasonable computing distance.Suppose if you're prepared to throw him 200k he may move for you.
Pi55ing off neighbours isn't clever, don't s
t where you eat.deltashad said:
R8Steve said:
If you want complete silence you need to choose your house accordingly imo.
Really? Was probably all the guy could get a mortgage on within reasonable computing distance.Suppose if you're prepared to throw him 200k he may move for you.
Pi55ing off neighbours isn't clever, don't s
t where you eat.R8Steve said:
I know the lease says they shouldn't be installed by the leasee but the OP hasn't installed any of this, simply made use of what is already there.
Overlooking where the power is coming from, what if the OP had a generator running instead in the absence of power?
My point is the neighbour can't realistically expect no noise during the day. He can probably use the terms of the lease to get the use of the garage stopped but will moving to a shed at the back of the property solve the problem? He'll probably still hear it. What of people cutting the grass, children playing and shouting, etc, etc. I used to stay right next to a large football ground, a lot of noise was generated from it but i never wrote to my solicitor to tell them to stop playing football. If you want complete silence you need to choose your house accordingly imo.
I work night shifts, generally speaking I can sleep fine during the day with my windows closed, but if people start doing things for a prolonged period of time, I end up waking up - the odd noise is fine wherever, but long term consistent stuff is annoying. Honestly, I'd get annoyed if I was that neighbour, especially due to the lease stating no power should be wired into the garage!Overlooking where the power is coming from, what if the OP had a generator running instead in the absence of power?
My point is the neighbour can't realistically expect no noise during the day. He can probably use the terms of the lease to get the use of the garage stopped but will moving to a shed at the back of the property solve the problem? He'll probably still hear it. What of people cutting the grass, children playing and shouting, etc, etc. I used to stay right next to a large football ground, a lot of noise was generated from it but i never wrote to my solicitor to tell them to stop playing football. If you want complete silence you need to choose your house accordingly imo.
I have a similar setup with the garage, albeit without power.
I think the rules of the managed estate are that I can't have power in the garage.
Personally, out of respect for the people living above, I would keep any noise to a minimum. If I had to work in there I'd try and be done for 1900.
I think the rules of the managed estate are that I can't have power in the garage.
Personally, out of respect for the people living above, I would keep any noise to a minimum. If I had to work in there I'd try and be done for 1900.
R8Steve said:
I know the lease says they shouldn't be installed by the leasee but the OP hasn't installed any of this, simply made use of what is already there.
Sure, I don't think it is the OP's fault. But now he is aware he needs to make reasonable steps to resolve and make good, I don't think he has any rights to carry on.
Because I hate threads where the op dissappear and I have an interesting update!
Note that I am not turning in the garage and am still trying to get a shed I the garage.
Apparently the power was installed by a professional with the agreement of the previous owner of the house. Son8t is fully legal within the terms of the lease. Thus there can be no complaint about the power. It is now just a disturbance issue. Now if he'd come to speak to me I'd not take this any further, but as he's been an arse I'm considering writing back to his solicitors stating that the power is legal and thus can he get an environmental impact statement done to prove unreasonable noise and vibration. If he can be an arse so can I.
Note that I am not turning in the garage and am still trying to get a shed I the garage.
Apparently the power was installed by a professional with the agreement of the previous owner of the house. Son8t is fully legal within the terms of the lease. Thus there can be no complaint about the power. It is now just a disturbance issue. Now if he'd come to speak to me I'd not take this any further, but as he's been an arse I'm considering writing back to his solicitors stating that the power is legal and thus can he get an environmental impact statement done to prove unreasonable noise and vibration. If he can be an arse so can I.
Jonleeper said:
Because I hate threads where the op dissappear and I have an interesting update!
Note that I am not turning in the garage and am still trying to get a shed I the garage.
Apparently the power was installed by a professional with the agreement of the previous owner of the house. Son8t is fully legal within the terms of the lease. Thus there can be no complaint about the power. It is now just a disturbance issue. Now if he'd come to speak to me I'd not take this any further, but as he's been an arse I'm considering writing back to his solicitors stating that the power is legal and thus can he get an environmental impact statement done to prove unreasonable noise and vibration. If he can be an arse so can I.
Many on here will disagree with your approach here but i see it as he's made his bed so now has to lie in it. He should have done the right thing and came and talked to you.Note that I am not turning in the garage and am still trying to get a shed I the garage.
Apparently the power was installed by a professional with the agreement of the previous owner of the house. Son8t is fully legal within the terms of the lease. Thus there can be no complaint about the power. It is now just a disturbance issue. Now if he'd come to speak to me I'd not take this any further, but as he's been an arse I'm considering writing back to his solicitors stating that the power is legal and thus can he get an environmental impact statement done to prove unreasonable noise and vibration. If he can be an arse so can I.
Jonleeper said:
Because I hate threads where the op dissappear and I have an interesting update!
Note that I am not turning in the garage and am still trying to get a shed I the garage.
Apparently the power was installed by a professional with the agreement of the previous owner of the house. Son8t is fully legal within the terms of the lease. Thus there can be no complaint about the power. It is now just a disturbance issue. Now if he'd come to speak to me I'd not take this any further, but as he's been an arse I'm considering writing back to his solicitors stating that the power is legal and thus can he get an environmental impact statement done to prove unreasonable noise and vibration. If he can be an arse so can I.
Two aNote that I am not turning in the garage and am still trying to get a shed I the garage.
Apparently the power was installed by a professional with the agreement of the previous owner of the house. Son8t is fully legal within the terms of the lease. Thus there can be no complaint about the power. It is now just a disturbance issue. Now if he'd come to speak to me I'd not take this any further, but as he's been an arse I'm considering writing back to his solicitors stating that the power is legal and thus can he get an environmental impact statement done to prove unreasonable noise and vibration. If he can be an arse so can I.
holes = a pair of syour neighbour went about things the wrong way , but you're equally going about things the wrong way.
put yourself in his position for a minute and think what the way forward should be
+ just because the electricity was fitted with permission and by a qualified electrician doesn't mean to say that it legal
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