Reasonable use of garage?
Discussion
The OP should tread carefully. This could escalate. Consider that the local planning authority could get involved. Have you proper insurance for this activity should a fire occur?. The HSE could be called in as fine wood dust is both a fire and health hazard. Your neighbour has only to complain that he can't breath properly due to dust. Can you prove his assertions wrong? What are you doing to contain this risk ? You could end up in court on this alone.
Your neighbour could take a court injunction to stop the activity and enforce the lease at your cost,then win as he must, sue you for the cost of a complete clean of his house and the garages. If nasty he can also inform the Tax folk of your new business, it's not a business but proving that will not be a pleasant or cheap experience.
You mention that you are a Military man, might this mess result in an interview without tea and biccies with your CO. As the Military rent this on your behalf a tactical retreat as is being offered may be sensible to avoid the inevitable ensuing $h1tstorm.
Your neighbour could take a court injunction to stop the activity and enforce the lease at your cost,then win as he must, sue you for the cost of a complete clean of his house and the garages. If nasty he can also inform the Tax folk of your new business, it's not a business but proving that will not be a pleasant or cheap experience.
You mention that you are a Military man, might this mess result in an interview without tea and biccies with your CO. As the Military rent this on your behalf a tactical retreat as is being offered may be sensible to avoid the inevitable ensuing $h1tstorm.
duckwhistle said:
The OP should tread carefully. This could escalate. Consider that the local planning authority could get involved. Have you proper insurance for this activity should a fire occur?. The HSE could be called in as fine wood dust is both a fire and health hazard. Your neighbour has only to complain that he can't breath properly due to dust. Can you prove his assertions wrong? What are you doing to contain this risk ? You could end up in court on this alone.
Your neighbour could take a court injunction to stop the activity and enforce the lease at your cost,then win as he must, sue you for the cost of a complete clean of his house and the garages. If nasty he can also inform the Tax folk of your new business, it's not a business but proving that will not be a pleasant or cheap experience.
You mention that you are a Military man, might this mess result in an interview without tea and biccies with your CO. As the Military rent this on your behalf a tactical retreat as is being offered may be sensible to avoid the inevitable ensuing $h1tstorm.
Surely you're not being serious?Your neighbour could take a court injunction to stop the activity and enforce the lease at your cost,then win as he must, sue you for the cost of a complete clean of his house and the garages. If nasty he can also inform the Tax folk of your new business, it's not a business but proving that will not be a pleasant or cheap experience.
You mention that you are a Military man, might this mess result in an interview without tea and biccies with your CO. As the Military rent this on your behalf a tactical retreat as is being offered may be sensible to avoid the inevitable ensuing $h1tstorm.
Jonleeper said:
... I have previously only spoken to the owner of the house over the garage, to be known as Mr x, once in the last 2 years I've lived there and then only to say “morning”.
...
Last night he approached me when I got back from work and told me that his solicitors had written to the title deed holder of my house but it was for me and gave me a copy.
... I have deliberately left in the grammatical errors and inconsistent language, ...
Have you checked that the 'solicitor' even exists ...
Last night he approached me when I got back from work and told me that his solicitors had written to the title deed holder of my house but it was for me and gave me a copy.
... I have deliberately left in the grammatical errors and inconsistent language, ...
Edited by Jonleeper on Thursday 26th November 11:22
? And if they do, do they specialise in this kind of matter?There are quite a few typos in the 'solicitor letter'; are they all original or are a few of them down to you using a smartphone?
My spidey sense tells me that something is fishy (around Mr X allegedly going legal) here; something along the lines of that he has looked at his own garage deeds and assumed they are the same as your garage deeds, and 'someone' has written a 'solicitor letter' (a copy of which he has given to you)
Not that I'm a cynic or anything. But it is a matter for your landlord to deal with, I will suggest, so be advised by them rather than going postal at Mr X (but avoid using your lathe and grinder for now).
It's possible we don't know the full story, the OP could be the last in a long line of tenant doing noisy things in that garage and the owner may have made several complaints to the landlord previously which would make him seem far less of a cock socket for going straight to a lawyer this time.
Playing devils advocate, it might have been polite when you purchased the lathe to let the neighbour know your intentions. Neighbour would have been in the loop, and would have the opportunity to let the OP know if he worked any funny hours. I think I'd be definitely be a bit worried about the increased fire risk if I was the one living above it.
Having worked shifts and lived in flats in the past, I know there's a whole world of difference in short term noise (someone mowing the lawn, getting car in and out of a garage), to several hours of constant noise.
Having worked shifts and lived in flats in the past, I know there's a whole world of difference in short term noise (someone mowing the lawn, getting car in and out of a garage), to several hours of constant noise.
It really doesn't matter. The OP is likely in breach of covenants in the lease or deeds, and if not, he is clearly creating a statutory or private nuisance.
The garage is clearly intended for storage and car parking, and no judge would consider activities that interfere with the adjoining owner's property rights reasonable.
The garage is clearly intended for storage and car parking, and no judge would consider activities that interfere with the adjoining owner's property rights reasonable.
duckwhistle said:
The OP should tread carefully. This could escalate. Consider that the local planning authority could get involved. Have you proper insurance for this activity should a fire occur?. The HSE could be called in as fine wood dust is both a fire and health hazard. Your neighbour has only to complain that he can't breath properly due to dust. Can you prove his assertions wrong? What are you doing to contain this risk ? You could end up in court on this alone.
Your neighbour could take a court injunction to stop the activity and enforce the lease at your cost,then win as he must, sue you for the cost of a complete clean of his house and the garages. If nasty he can also inform the Tax folk of your new business, it's not a business but proving that will not be a pleasant or cheap experience.
You mention that you are a Military man, might this mess result in an interview without tea and biccies with your CO. As the Military rent this on your behalf a tactical retreat as is being offered may be sensible to avoid the inevitable ensuing $h1tstorm.
I bet you are a fun person.Your neighbour could take a court injunction to stop the activity and enforce the lease at your cost,then win as he must, sue you for the cost of a complete clean of his house and the garages. If nasty he can also inform the Tax folk of your new business, it's not a business but proving that will not be a pleasant or cheap experience.
You mention that you are a Military man, might this mess result in an interview without tea and biccies with your CO. As the Military rent this on your behalf a tactical retreat as is being offered may be sensible to avoid the inevitable ensuing $h1tstorm.
Trexthedinosaur said:
duckwhistle said:
The OP should tread carefully. This could escalate. Consider that the local planning authority could get involved. Have you proper insurance for this activity should a fire occur?. The HSE could be called in as fine wood dust is both a fire and health hazard. Your neighbour has only to complain that he can't breath properly due to dust. Can you prove his assertions wrong? What are you doing to contain this risk ? You could end up in court on this alone.
Your neighbour could take a court injunction to stop the activity and enforce the lease at your cost,then win as he must, sue you for the cost of a complete clean of his house and the garages. If nasty he can also inform the Tax folk of your new business, it's not a business but proving that will not be a pleasant or cheap experience.
You mention that you are a Military man, might this mess result in an interview without tea and biccies with your CO. As the Military rent this on your behalf a tactical retreat as is being offered may be sensible to avoid the inevitable ensuing $h1tstorm.
I bet you are a fun person.Your neighbour could take a court injunction to stop the activity and enforce the lease at your cost,then win as he must, sue you for the cost of a complete clean of his house and the garages. If nasty he can also inform the Tax folk of your new business, it's not a business but proving that will not be a pleasant or cheap experience.
You mention that you are a Military man, might this mess result in an interview without tea and biccies with your CO. As the Military rent this on your behalf a tactical retreat as is being offered may be sensible to avoid the inevitable ensuing $h1tstorm.
Vaud said:
Trexthedinosaur said:
duckwhistle said:
The OP should tread carefully. This could escalate. Consider that the local planning authority could get involved. Have you proper insurance for this activity should a fire occur?. The HSE could be called in as fine wood dust is both a fire and health hazard. Your neighbour has only to complain that he can't breath properly due to dust. Can you prove his assertions wrong? What are you doing to contain this risk ? You could end up in court on this alone.
Your neighbour could take a court injunction to stop the activity and enforce the lease at your cost,then win as he must, sue you for the cost of a complete clean of his house and the garages. If nasty he can also inform the Tax folk of your new business, it's not a business but proving that will not be a pleasant or cheap experience.
You mention that you are a Military man, might this mess result in an interview without tea and biccies with your CO. As the Military rent this on your behalf a tactical retreat as is being offered may be sensible to avoid the inevitable ensuing $h1tstorm.
I bet you are a fun person.Your neighbour could take a court injunction to stop the activity and enforce the lease at your cost,then win as he must, sue you for the cost of a complete clean of his house and the garages. If nasty he can also inform the Tax folk of your new business, it's not a business but proving that will not be a pleasant or cheap experience.
You mention that you are a Military man, might this mess result in an interview without tea and biccies with your CO. As the Military rent this on your behalf a tactical retreat as is being offered may be sensible to avoid the inevitable ensuing $h1tstorm.
I store paint in my house, bleach and aerosols too, shall I perform a risk assessment to ensure there is no danger of an aerosol exploding and destroying the city centre, do I need to check my home insurance for an inadvertent terrorist act?
'.. inform the tax folk .. ', so painting my house, mowing my lawn, changing my own air filter* ... Am I now a extremely talented decorating gardener mechanic? I bought a new lawn mower and as such I now need to inform the tax man? Or am I just carrying out some DIY, home improvements and a hobby?
I am being facetious but come on, the chap is using a machine in his garage (rightly or wrongly), it hardly warrants the above level of impending doom.
- All very non-PH of course.
My son sometimes uses the garage for Rock Band Practice. This includes drums, guitars and amps.
I just went and spoke to the adjoining neighbours and said we would like to do this and what was reasonable in terms of timings. We decided that he could play and do stuff until 9p.m. as a start and we would see how it went with room to negotiate after a settling in period.
As it happens this remained as my neighbour said he never heard anything and I didn't tell my son, just that he had to keep to a 9pm curfew. Now there are new neighbours with a new baby and it is difficult as the baby could be asleep at any hour but we just stuck to the timings and turned it down until the baby is older.
We also spoke to the old lady opposite so she didn't fret about a load of teenage boys coming an going. She was surprised at our courtesy which I found a bit sad.
I just went and spoke to the adjoining neighbours and said we would like to do this and what was reasonable in terms of timings. We decided that he could play and do stuff until 9p.m. as a start and we would see how it went with room to negotiate after a settling in period.
As it happens this remained as my neighbour said he never heard anything and I didn't tell my son, just that he had to keep to a 9pm curfew. Now there are new neighbours with a new baby and it is difficult as the baby could be asleep at any hour but we just stuck to the timings and turned it down until the baby is older.
We also spoke to the old lady opposite so she didn't fret about a load of teenage boys coming an going. She was surprised at our courtesy which I found a bit sad.
Comply with letter
Sell Lathe
Buy a car with a loud exhaust
Start car every night and allow to idle/rev for 10/15 mins at various times
Claim the battery goes flat during the day and as there is no longer any electric to run a battery charger this is your only way of keeping it charged
Of course, I am being a total ****, but It's something I would consider in this situation.
Sell Lathe
Buy a car with a loud exhaust
Start car every night and allow to idle/rev for 10/15 mins at various times
Claim the battery goes flat during the day and as there is no longer any electric to run a battery charger this is your only way of keeping it charged
Of course, I am being a total ****, but It's something I would consider in this situation.
R8Steve said:
Many on here will disagree with your approach here but i see it as he's made his bed so now has to lie in it. He should have done the right thing and came and talked to you.
I agree with this.- So long as the OP is rock solid, that there is no exclusion to electricity in the garage and that it was fitted prior to you moving in, you have permission from the *old* (?) homeowner.
I used to live through the party wall from a guy that turned wood.
It was seriously annoying. It wasn't much the noise, but the vibration.
But what could I do? It was his hobby being done in a shed attached to the back of his house.
I wouldn't have minded so much but all he seemed to do was literally turn wood. Nothing ever seemed to emerge from the process other than filled time...
It was seriously annoying. It wasn't much the noise, but the vibration.
But what could I do? It was his hobby being done in a shed attached to the back of his house.
I wouldn't have minded so much but all he seemed to do was literally turn wood. Nothing ever seemed to emerge from the process other than filled time...
You could be an arse.
There's plenty of arses in the world, so your behaviour won't be particularly unique or - nowadays - unusual.
Or you could be a decent person and realise that a garage (originally) without power, under someones living accommodation, isn't the place to be running a lathe til the late evening, particularly after they've stated that they do shift work so sleep at irregular hours.
Hell, I'd be asking neighbours if I was causing them any grief if I was running that s
t in a detached house, let alone literally underneath someones bed.
I realise this is probably a naive and archaic attitude to have in todays "me, me, me" world, but *shrug*
There's plenty of arses in the world, so your behaviour won't be particularly unique or - nowadays - unusual.
Or you could be a decent person and realise that a garage (originally) without power, under someones living accommodation, isn't the place to be running a lathe til the late evening, particularly after they've stated that they do shift work so sleep at irregular hours.
Hell, I'd be asking neighbours if I was causing them any grief if I was running that s
t in a detached house, let alone literally underneath someones bed.I realise this is probably a naive and archaic attitude to have in todays "me, me, me" world, but *shrug*
Durzel said:
You could be an arse.
There's plenty of arses in the world, so your behaviour won't be particularly unique or - nowadays - unusual.
Or you could be a decent person and realise that a garage (originally) without power, under someones living accommodation, isn't the place to be running a lathe til the late evening, particularly after they've stated that they do shift work so sleep at irregular hours.
Hell, I'd be asking neighbours if I was causing them any grief if I was running that st in a detached house, let alone literally underneath someones bed.
I realise this is probably a naive and archaic attitude to have in todays "me, me, me" world, but *shrug*
The way i see it is the neighbour has also adopted a me, me, me attitude in instructing a solicitor to tell the OP to stop doing what he is doing permanently, no compromise, no discussion.There's plenty of arses in the world, so your behaviour won't be particularly unique or - nowadays - unusual.
Or you could be a decent person and realise that a garage (originally) without power, under someones living accommodation, isn't the place to be running a lathe til the late evening, particularly after they've stated that they do shift work so sleep at irregular hours.
Hell, I'd be asking neighbours if I was causing them any grief if I was running that s
t in a detached house, let alone literally underneath someones bed.I realise this is probably a naive and archaic attitude to have in todays "me, me, me" world, but *shrug*
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