Private road and parking issues
Discussion
Roo said:
I live in a private road. It used to belong to the house on the main road that sold their garden for development in the thirties. The owners of that house, and road, tried to sell it to us residents about fifteen years ago but no one was interested.
I assume the original owners still own it then, unless they can just relinquish the land?
The original owners from the thirties are probably dead, but whomever now owns the house probably owns the road, unless it has been sold off to someone else since the residents declined to buy it. The only certainty is that someone (whether a person or a a company or a public authority or whatever) owns it. It might take some detective work at the land registry or elsewhere to find out who the owner is, although the obvious starting point would be to ask whomever currently owns the house (if it's still there).I assume the original owners still own it then, unless they can just relinquish the land?
Breadvan72 said:
Roo said:
I live in a private road. It used to belong to the house on the main road that sold their garden for development in the thirties. The owners of that house, and road, tried to sell it to us residents about fifteen years ago but no one was interested.
I assume the original owners still own it then, unless they can just relinquish the land?
The original owners from the thirties are probably dead, but whomever now owns the house probably owns the road, unless it has been sold off to someone else since the residents declined to buy it. The only certainty is that someone (whether a person or a a company or a public authority or whatever) owns it. It might take some detective work at the land registry or elsewhere to find out who the owner is, although the obvious starting point would be to ask whomever currently owns the house (if it's still there).I assume the original owners still own it then, unless they can just relinquish the land?
OP is it a town or village you live in?
I live in a village and there are 2 x local Facebook groups that are very popular, especially for busybodies
Someone got fed up of their street and drive being clogged by drivers going to the local school so they posted clear photos of all the cars and their numberplate on this local group
Several of the owners of the cars were not happy at all and it seemed to have the desired effect, or at lease really annoyed a couple of offenders, who ironically demanded the photos be taken down
I live in a village and there are 2 x local Facebook groups that are very popular, especially for busybodies
Someone got fed up of their street and drive being clogged by drivers going to the local school so they posted clear photos of all the cars and their numberplate on this local group
Several of the owners of the cars were not happy at all and it seemed to have the desired effect, or at lease really annoyed a couple of offenders, who ironically demanded the photos be taken down
Roo said:
Thanks for the answer. I'll do some digging.
Buy the road for a song and then hold all your neighbours to ransom for parking permits mwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That would be the PH way.PS: evil plan might not work,as the tightwad neighbours probably all have easements to use and possibly also to park on the road.
4rephill said:
Granfondo said:
Dog s
t under the door handles would be rather unpleasant!
Dog st under the door handles would be rather unpleasant! t under door handles can work both ways though I'd have thought! - In a sT for shat type of way!And I suspect it's not too pleasant to wake up and find dog s
t smeared all over your front door either!
silverfoxcc said:
On a BBC parking prog a few weeks ago, the residents did the following
They got their own car out one morning and measured up the parking so they were spaced far enough apart to stop anybody parking in the gaps. A few weeks intermitent use of this and the road was left alone by the freeloaders
Mind you on that same programme, assuming it's the same one I saw, there was one of the most vociferous of the campaigners about the parking issues caught out and exposed for blocking somebody in their "drive". Her excuse was that although there was clearly a property with a vehicle parked on it and she was preventing egress from said property by the placement of her jalopy, she was quite justified due to the lack of an official dropped kerb. So often in these situations the programme should be retitled "When cocks collide."They got their own car out one morning and measured up the parking so they were spaced far enough apart to stop anybody parking in the gaps. A few weeks intermitent use of this and the road was left alone by the freeloaders
FiF said:
Mind you on that same programme, assuming it's the same one I saw, there was one of the most vociferous of the campaigners about the parking issues caught out and exposed for blocking somebody in their "drive". Her excuse was that although there was clearly a property with a vehicle parked on it and she was preventing egress from said property by the placement of her jalopy, she was quite justified due to the lack of an official dropped kerb. So often in these situations the programme should be retitled "When cocks collide."
Although on the flip side of that, there is a bloke on my street, which already has severely limited on-street parking for residents, who knocked down a wall on his property exposing his front garden and proceeded to park on his garden, claiming the road at the front as his for exit purposes. I believe after a few 'altercations' after being blocked in by people with nowhere else to park, he no longer does it. EFA he also applied to the council for a dropped kerb and they refused because of the scarcity of spaces.
I've got a brilliant idea that will work.
How about instead of moaning, you work harder, save up and then move into a house that has a garage or an actual permitted parking area...?
Fair enough if people are blocking your drive, but nothing worse than people who moan about others who park legally just because they have nothing better to do.
Blocked Drive - Call 101 and report it.
How about instead of moaning, you work harder, save up and then move into a house that has a garage or an actual permitted parking area...?
Fair enough if people are blocking your drive, but nothing worse than people who moan about others who park legally just because they have nothing better to do.
Blocked Drive - Call 101 and report it.
If the road is one to which the public have no legal right to access (whether or not they have actual access), then the parkers are not parking legally. They are committing the civil wrong of trespass.
A poster above appears to think that if there is no gate then there is a legal right but he is mistaken. You do not have to have fences, gates, or signs at the edge of your property in order to have legal control over who uses the property. Fences, gates and signs can sometimes help if you have selfish knobbers using your land without permission, but a gate at the end of a road can cause hassles of its own, so is not an ideal solution.
A poster above appears to think that if there is no gate then there is a legal right but he is mistaken. You do not have to have fences, gates, or signs at the edge of your property in order to have legal control over who uses the property. Fences, gates and signs can sometimes help if you have selfish knobbers using your land without permission, but a gate at the end of a road can cause hassles of its own, so is not an ideal solution.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 30th November 14:00
Joeguard1990 said:
I've got a brilliant idea that will work.
How about instead of moaning, you work harder, save up and then move into a house that has a garage or an actual permitted parking area...?
Fair enough if people are blocking your drive, but nothing worse than people who moan about others who park legally just because they have nothing better to do.
Blocked Drive - Call 101 and report it.
I think that an attitude like that is what is called "being part of the problem". Joeguard, is it OK for us all to park on your driveway, if you have one? Did you miss the bit about the road being a private road?How about instead of moaning, you work harder, save up and then move into a house that has a garage or an actual permitted parking area...?
Fair enough if people are blocking your drive, but nothing worse than people who moan about others who park legally just because they have nothing better to do.
Blocked Drive - Call 101 and report it.
Breadvan72 said:
If the road is one to which the public have no legal right to access (whether or not they have actual access), then the parkers are not parking legally. They are committing the civil wrong of trespass.
And conversely, if the road is one which the public do have a legal right to access (which, notwithstanding certain exceptions, would be the norm for a road or street), then the parkers are not parking illegally. The question is - which "if" applies?
Personally, setting aside the semantics, on a more practical level, I would get a flamethrower, set fire to your own house, and call the fire brigade. They will batter all these parked cars out of the way to reach your house. All the owners will come back to find their cars bulldozed to the side of the street. That'll learn them.
Parking enforcement is usually free to land owners, in some cases shared profit where there are rich pickings. I'd contact a couple, especially the small outfits, they'll welcome the work. You will need to make sure that you and any visitors are displaying the right permits though, they'll chuck an area if the residents cause them too much grief.
Well after letters 2 cars have continued defiant.both drivers look very young. The golf parked opposite a neighbours drive yesterday and he could barely get out . Also the golf was nearly involved in a crash with a neighbour as he seems to be a junior doctor and was on his phone when leaving the other night.
Have today placed tickets on two cars, if the return I will put copy dvla keeper requests.
Have today placed tickets on two cars, if the return I will put copy dvla keeper requests.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Tuesday 1st December 13:56
surveyor_101 said:
Well after letters 2 cars have continued defiant.both drivers look very young. The golf parked opposite a neighbours drive yesterday and he could barely get out . Also the golf was nearly involved in a crash with a neighbour as he seems to be a junior doctor and was on his phone when leaving the other night.
Have today placed tickets on two cars, if the return I will put copy dvla keeper requests.
Good luck with that.Have today placed tickets on two cars, if the return I will put copy dvla keeper requests.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Tuesday 1st December 13:56
I saw a tv documentary about a street with a similar problem. The residents got together and arranged to park all of their own cards around 6 feet apart (no space to park in between) early in the morning before the other drivers arrived. They did this twice a week for about a month. Problem solved.
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