Has Tyson Fury commited a hate crime
Discussion
Pannywagon said:
DonkeyApple said:
If he were a Pakistani, most of the people claiming his words aren't a 'hate crime' would be screaming for him to be sent back to his religion of peace homeland.
It's also amusing that almost no one has attacked his view on women just homosexuals.
The chap is a stupid, ill educated oik who as a result has been indoctrinated with far too much of the fairly b
ks story stuff. The fact that some people feel that to point out that he is a backward little savage makes someone a 'liberal' is slightly baffling.
Of course he cannot be considered for some form of sporting prize in this country with those views. He is free to have those views and frankly, he is free to speak them and advocate them but nothing should be done to actually endorse them.
Removing him from the competition does not silence him or penalise him. It merely recognises that none of these views are sociably acceptable or correct.
And that right there is the problem with the hand wringing liberals. Not content with disagreement alone they have to punish too, so the person knows they're socially unacceptable. It's also amusing that almost no one has attacked his view on women just homosexuals.
The chap is a stupid, ill educated oik who as a result has been indoctrinated with far too much of the fairly b
ks story stuff. The fact that some people feel that to point out that he is a backward little savage makes someone a 'liberal' is slightly baffling. Of course he cannot be considered for some form of sporting prize in this country with those views. He is free to have those views and frankly, he is free to speak them and advocate them but nothing should be done to actually endorse them.
Removing him from the competition does not silence him or penalise him. It merely recognises that none of these views are sociably acceptable or correct.
What's even better is when the liberals can't even see that they're liberal.
Is SPOTY meant to reflect the best sporting achievement, or the personality? I've never been sure, even if it is in the name.
If it's sporting achievement, then without a shadow of a doubt, Tyson Fury deserves to win.
It's if personality, then the award isn't worth the tinfoil it's made of, and someone who hasn't really registered this year (e.g. Jess Enniss) will probably win.
Otherwise, why are people surprised that a bloke who was raised on a massive council estate in South Manchester by a family of travellers, who is very good at punching people for a living, isn't actually a part-time philospher as well?
Jesus wept. He's just Mickey crossed with Gorgeous George.
If it's sporting achievement, then without a shadow of a doubt, Tyson Fury deserves to win.
It's if personality, then the award isn't worth the tinfoil it's made of, and someone who hasn't really registered this year (e.g. Jess Enniss) will probably win.
Otherwise, why are people surprised that a bloke who was raised on a massive council estate in South Manchester by a family of travellers, who is very good at punching people for a living, isn't actually a part-time philospher as well?
Jesus wept. He's just Mickey crossed with Gorgeous George.
La Liga said:
The police / CPS and wider Criminal Justice System are inconsistent with the wording 'hate crime' and 'hate incident'.
Firstly, of course, has the man even committed a crime? I don't think so.
And there we go: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-35...Firstly, of course, has the man even committed a crime? I don't think so.
GMP said:
In a statement, GMP said: "Officers spoke with the man that made the report and he provided a statement to police.
"This matter has been investigated in line with national hate crime policy and has been recorded as a hate incident.
"The circumstances in which these comments were made suggest that no criminal offence has taken place and this matter will not be investigated any further."
"This matter has been investigated in line with national hate crime policy and has been recorded as a hate incident.
"The circumstances in which these comments were made suggest that no criminal offence has taken place and this matter will not be investigated any further."
What this has done is to give him even more coverage. The headlines are one things, facts another. The police have investigated and found he has committed no crime in law. He has offended many by his views not a crime.
What this has shown to me is, whilst we would like to think otherwise, there are a lot who do agree with some of his views. We see lots of demonstrations against abortion for example and speaking with some people I know, they do agree Ennis looks good, and like the idea of a women in the kitchen, on their back. They are ill educated men of little minds who cannot see that their views are abhorrent to the majority.
Now back to SPOTY, since when has a moral condition been part of the process. Over the years we have seen nominees who have used ladies of the night, drugs, been wife beaters, alcoholics, rapists and criminals. James Hunt shagged anything that moved drunk and smoked heavily, but because we now have the internet and it is easy to jump on a bandwagon suddenly they also have to be a role model as well seen to do nothing controversial or have an opinion. Look at the way F1 stars are shackled to say nothing of meaning.
To be honest I find the whole thing stupid, but I find the waste of money that SPOTY costs the BBC a bigger issue than what Fury said.
What this has shown to me is, whilst we would like to think otherwise, there are a lot who do agree with some of his views. We see lots of demonstrations against abortion for example and speaking with some people I know, they do agree Ennis looks good, and like the idea of a women in the kitchen, on their back. They are ill educated men of little minds who cannot see that their views are abhorrent to the majority.
Now back to SPOTY, since when has a moral condition been part of the process. Over the years we have seen nominees who have used ladies of the night, drugs, been wife beaters, alcoholics, rapists and criminals. James Hunt shagged anything that moved drunk and smoked heavily, but because we now have the internet and it is easy to jump on a bandwagon suddenly they also have to be a role model as well seen to do nothing controversial or have an opinion. Look at the way F1 stars are shackled to say nothing of meaning.
To be honest I find the whole thing stupid, but I find the waste of money that SPOTY costs the BBC a bigger issue than what Fury said.
_dobbo_ said:
eatcustard said:
I think I will vote for him just to ps off you Looney leftwing tts.
What he says is nothing to what hook and and co say about the UK.
And you get upset about him saying what must of us blokes say (when the wife is not listening of cause)
Leave the Gippo to his stupid comments and get on with your life.
"Most of us blokes"? By all means speak for yourself but don't presume to speak for others here.s off you Looney leftwing tts.What he says is nothing to what hook and and co say about the UK.
And you get upset about him saying what must of us blokes say (when the wife is not listening of cause)
Leave the Gippo to his stupid comments and get on with your life.
Calletrece said:
Is SPOTY meant to reflect the best sporting achievement, or the personality? I've never been sure, even if it is in the name.
If it's sporting achievement, then without a shadow of a doubt, Tyson Fury deserves to win.
It's if personality, then the award isn't worth the tinfoil it's made of, and someone who hasn't really registered this year (e.g. Jess Enniss) will probably win.
Otherwise, why are people surprised that a bloke who was raised on a massive council estate in South Manchester by a family of travellers, who is very good at punching people for a living, isn't actually a part-time philospher as well?
Jesus wept. He's just Mickey crossed with Gorgeous George.
This is the thing that makes me laugh about this story, what do people think his 'thoughts' are on these matters?If it's sporting achievement, then without a shadow of a doubt, Tyson Fury deserves to win.
It's if personality, then the award isn't worth the tinfoil it's made of, and someone who hasn't really registered this year (e.g. Jess Enniss) will probably win.
Otherwise, why are people surprised that a bloke who was raised on a massive council estate in South Manchester by a family of travellers, who is very good at punching people for a living, isn't actually a part-time philospher as well?
Jesus wept. He's just Mickey crossed with Gorgeous George.
Although my experiences have been reasonably positive (we had a site near our college, and frequently had a smoke with some of the younger lads). However, reasonable, open minded grown men and women all completely lose their st over the travelling community.
That is a key point to raise, as I reckon they're the last subsect of society it's generally seen as acceptable to dislike by most.
t over the travelling community. That is a key point to raise, as I reckon they're the last subsect of society it's generally seen as acceptable to dislike by most.
On Radio 4's Any Questions they have just said that the police have called it a 'hate incident'.
If it's not a hate crime what the police doing with it, unless they're the politically correct taste police?
Good job we didn't cut the police budget when they're looking into hate 'incidences'.
If it's not a hate crime what the police doing with it, unless they're the politically correct taste police?
Good job we didn't cut the police budget when they're looking into hate 'incidences'.
DonkeyApple said:
Pannywagon said:
DonkeyApple said:
If he were a Pakistani, most of the people claiming his words aren't a 'hate crime' would be screaming for him to be sent back to his religion of peace homeland.
It's also amusing that almost no one has attacked his view on women just homosexuals.
The chap is a stupid, ill educated oik who as a result has been indoctrinated with far too much of the fairly bks story stuff. The fact that some people feel that to point out that he is a backward little savage makes someone a 'liberal' is slightly baffling.
Of course he cannot be considered for some form of sporting prize in this country with those views. He is free to have those views and frankly, he is free to speak them and advocate them but nothing should be done to actually endorse them.
Removing him from the competition does not silence him or penalise him. It merely recognises that none of these views are sociably acceptable or correct.
And that right there is the problem with the hand wringing liberals. Not content with disagreement alone they have to punish too, so the person knows they're socially unacceptable. It's also amusing that almost no one has attacked his view on women just homosexuals.
The chap is a stupid, ill educated oik who as a result has been indoctrinated with far too much of the fairly b
ks story stuff. The fact that some people feel that to point out that he is a backward little savage makes someone a 'liberal' is slightly baffling. Of course he cannot be considered for some form of sporting prize in this country with those views. He is free to have those views and frankly, he is free to speak them and advocate them but nothing should be done to actually endorse them.
Removing him from the competition does not silence him or penalise him. It merely recognises that none of these views are sociably acceptable or correct.
What's even better is when the liberals can't even see that they're liberal.
By the way there is nothing wrong with being a liberal?
Do you even know what liberal means?
willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
Sounds like a pretty sensible way to be.
Devil2575 said:
Indeed
By the way there is nothing wrong with being a liberal?
Do you even know what liberal means?
willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
Sounds like a pretty sensible way to be.
it;s the powerfully built be-goatteed types importing the use of liberal as a Slur becasue they hear their libertarian Crushes in the US use it ... By the way there is nothing wrong with being a liberal?
Do you even know what liberal means?
willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
Sounds like a pretty sensible way to be.
carinaman said:
On Radio 4's Any Questions they have just said that the police have called it a 'hate incident'.
If it's not a hate crime what the police doing with it, unless they're the politically correct taste police?
Good job we didn't cut the police budget when they're looking into hate 'incidences'.
Because it was a product of the MacPherson report (Stephen Lawrence). It changed the recording to focus on her perception of the victim rather than the perception of the police and is one thing that has helped move the police forward in terms of recognising and dealing with hate crime. It started off as a 'racist incident' but has evolved to look at other vulnerable groups. If it's not a hate crime what the police doing with it, unless they're the politically correct taste police?
Good job we didn't cut the police budget when they're looking into hate 'incidences'.
One con is that since it's driven by perception, there are essentially no filters so there are occasions when 'hate incidents' will be recorded which are rather 'flimsy'. It's better to have a small amount of 'flimsy' data to ensure consistency of recording and remove the risk of not recording something through incorrect filtering or judgement.
Bigger picture.
La Liga said:
carinaman said:
On Radio 4's Any Questions they have just said that the police have called it a 'hate incident'.
If it's not a hate crime what the police doing with it, unless they're the politically correct taste police?
Good job we didn't cut the police budget when they're looking into hate 'incidences'.
Because it was a product of the MacPherson report (Stephen Lawrence). It changed the recording to focus on her perception of the victim rather than the perception of the police and is one thing that has helped move the police forward in terms of recognising and dealing with hate crime. It started off as a 'racist incident' but has evolved to look at other vulnerable groups. If it's not a hate crime what the police doing with it, unless they're the politically correct taste police?
Good job we didn't cut the police budget when they're looking into hate 'incidences'.
One con is that since it's driven by perception, there are essentially no filters so there are occasions when 'hate incidents' will be recorded which are rather 'flimsy'. It's better to have a small amount of 'flimsy' data to ensure consistency of recording and remove the risk of not recording something through incorrect filtering or judgement.
Bigger picture.
Strela said:
Abu Bakr al Baghdadi was runner-up in Time magazine's person of the year nominations. Although that probably wasn't a public vote (but it would have been quite amusing if it had, given his views on democracy).
Hitler was Time's man of the year in 1938. Ayatollah Khomeini was 1979's man of the year.I was Time's person of the year in 2006.
Time's award is given to the person who has had most impact on the world in the last year and doesn't imply an endorsement on Time's behalf.
Now Gazza is in trouble for something silly:
Reminds me of this from a few years ago.
Mail said:
It's claimed the Geordie star drew gasps after stating he wasn't be able to see a black security guard's face in poor light during a show at Wolverhampton Civic Hall last month.
Mail said:
'Spotting a black security chap in a darkened corner of the stage, he says he can't tell if he's smiling or not.
Mail said:
A spokesperson for West Midlands Police confirmed they received a report of a hate crime during the performance.
'Officers have taken an official statement from the victim and the inquiry is ongoing. Police take reports of hate crime extremely seriously and a thorough investigation will take place.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3358047/Paul-Gascoigne-faces-police-probe-racist-joke-stage-not-able-black-security-guard-poor-light.html'Officers have taken an official statement from the victim and the inquiry is ongoing. Police take reports of hate crime extremely seriously and a thorough investigation will take place.'
Reminds me of this from a few years ago.
article said:
Jack Straw said yesterday that he had shaken hands with President Robert Mugabe because it was "dark" and he did not realise he was greeting the Zimbabwean leader.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/straw-shook-mugabes-hand-because-it-was-dark-34389.htmlEdited by BlackLabel on Sunday 13th December 11:40
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