Newsflash: OPC warranty limit increased to 15 years

Newsflash: OPC warranty limit increased to 15 years

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EricE

1,945 posts

128 months

Monday 21st December 2015
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time to find a 2003 996 with a ropey but working engine (and N-spec tyres hehe) , have a OPC PPI + warranty done and buy it?
cheap worry free motoring for 2-3 years...

Bo_apex

2,506 posts

217 months

Monday 21st December 2015
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EricE said:
time to find a 2003 996 with a ropey but working engine (and N-spec tyres hehe) , have a OPC PPI + warranty done and buy it?
cheap worry free motoring for 2-3 years...
^^this^^

the "Bubble" is going to keep growing it seems !

cay

351 posts

155 months

Monday 21st December 2015
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That is interesting, mine runs out in Feb and it would have been the last time.

If only Porsche would N spec some newer tyres so I don't have to drive around on a 10 year old Michelin design.




cay

351 posts

155 months

Monday 21st December 2015
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You're quite right, I managed to acquire some winter tyres and wheels of Ebay which are currently on the car. I guess I can fit whatever I want to the summer wheels.

Not sure what they would do if something went wrong during the summer and I had the WRONG tyres.

It's all a bit of a farce.

Last time I renewed the warranty I had to change the sidelight bulbs as I had fitted some after market LED ones which were not Porsche approved.

Shaoxter

4,048 posts

123 months

Monday 21st December 2015
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Does that mean my 2003 C4S has gone up in value? party

I wonder if this is a wise move or not by Porsche... surely they must be aware of the expensive problems on 996s and 997.1s which will now be eligible for a warranty... On the other hand more servicing business and more OE wipers to flog.

bigtime

513 posts

138 months

Monday 21st December 2015
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Good news! Regarding warranties - if I buy a second hand 911 from opc and get a 2 year warranty can I automatically renew the warranty in 2 years time if it hasn't lapsed like with BMW or does it have to have another costly inspection to renew?

craigjm

17,909 posts

199 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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anonymous said:
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most likely to get waived if you have it done when a service is being performed ive found

Gary81

76 posts

131 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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anonymous said:
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no worries... good timing for me! I can now enjoy my new purchase, worry free for the next 6 years :-)

craigjm

17,909 posts

199 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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Gary81 said:
no worries... good timing for me! I can now enjoy my new purchase, worry free for the next 6 years :-)
Dont be complacent. You can still end up with big bills for things that are not covered.

bigtime

513 posts

138 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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Such as Craig?

craigjm

17,909 posts

199 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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bigtime said:
Such as Craig?
Well for instance I had the drive belt snap on my Cayman S and because it was within the tolerance period of the belt they replaced it under warranty... all good..... BUT.....

the belt tensioner and associated parts which caused the failure are not covered by the warranty because they are classed as a consumable so I ended up with a bill for nearly £900 for something you think would be covered.

Take a look at the list of what Porsche consider to be a consumable on your car (and therefore not covered by the extended warranty) and you will be surprised at many of the entries on the very long list!

hartech

1,929 posts

216 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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Also to factor in is the cost (it's not free) and the associated service requirements etc and not least that a replacement engine (as far as I am aware) would have the same weaknesses. I think in 15 years you would have more than paid for a spare engine anyway!

The same cost over 5 years would cover the cost of Hartech engine rebuild but if under our Maintenance Plan instead you would be quids in after 2 years and still getting excellent servicing and care (with free labour for all repairs including wear and tear items - but with some exclusions like corrosion etc - please check).

Baz

9e 28

9,410 posts

200 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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hartech said:
Also to factor in is the cost (it's not free) and the associated service requirements etc and not least that a replacement engine (as far as I am aware) would have the same weaknesses. I think in 15 years you would have more than paid for a spare engine anyway!

The same cost over 5 years would cover the cost of Hartech engine rebuild but if under our Maintenance Plan instead you would be quids in after 2 years and still getting excellent servicing and care (with free labour for all repairs including wear and tear items - but with some exclusions like corrosion etc - please check).

Baz
Slightly off topic. Will all gen 1 997 C2S go wrong in your opinion?

Can preventative mods be made to ensure nothing goes wrong if a 997 C2S is in good health already and what are the costs involved?

Lastly can the gen 1 C2S engine be improved i.e. more power. I'm aware of the X51 upgrade via Porsche which takes peak power from 355hp to 385 hp I think but have not heard anything about after market upgrades to the unit - perhaps this is because near its operating limit already?

Gen 1 C2 S starting to look like very good value IMO.

Trotmant

385 posts

113 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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anonymous said:
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a 991!!?

Trotmant

385 posts

113 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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anonymous said:
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no worries. had to do a double take for a second as your posts normally have laser precision! wink

Fl0pp3r

859 posts

202 months

Tuesday 22nd December 2015
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Shaoxter said:
I wonder if this is a wise move or not by Porsche... surely they must be aware of the expensive problems on 996s and 997.1s which will now be eligible for a warranty... On the other hand more servicing business and more OE wipers to flog.
Be in no doubt that Porsche will continue to make good money out of this insurance scheme, especially once the additional revenue resulting from inhouse servicing and non-covered items is incorporated!

They aren't the most profitable car maker in the world for nuthing.... [kerching]

Edited by Fl0pp3r on Tuesday 22 December 23:02

Simo_UK

101 posts

102 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
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Can I ask where the original announcement is for this please as the Porsche website still refers to the previous policy.

Cheers

http://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/ow...

hartech

1,929 posts

216 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
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Although the figures provided by Cmoose are accurate I think it is only fair for me to point out that our Plan is not in direct competition with The Porsche scheme (which is also good if you can afford it). I am surprised to find our scheme being described as unattractive on a purely cost basis however - let me expand - because ours will almost always be cheaper.

(1) To get on our scheme we do check everything over but you do not have to have everything put right (as you do with Porsche) as we can exclude some items that customers prefer to wait to fix at cost (or even put up with permanently as long as they do not impact on other parts potential failures or on safety grounds).

(2) Anyone doing 10 to 20K/year in a car now already around a decade old will almost certainly exceed the Porsche mileage limit - where we have NO MILEAGE LIMIT! Where would they be then especially in years ahead?

(3) We also have no age limit.

(4) Anyone doing 10 to 20K/year will need brakes every couple of years, suspension and clutches quite frequently and with our scheme you only pay for the parts (not the labour) - in fact wear and tear items are covered by us whereas in most cases they are not by Porsche.

(5)We include the annual MOT FOC.

(6) For owners on lower mileages we have an under 3K/year plan that costs only £60/month and like all our Plans covers the service costs in full - £720/year (+ Vat) for free servicing, free labour for most repairs, free MOT and if the engine went not only free labour to fix it but a whole range of improvements not available with a Porsche replacement engine.

(7) For more typically up to 10K/year the cost is £86/month (+Vat).

(8) For anyone using such a car for 10 to 20K/year the prospect of an engine failure must increasingly loom and while we do not claim our scheme is necessarily better than the Porsche one (these choices are very subjective) it seems a little unbalanced to present our scheme as unattractive on purely cost grounds. I am told by our regular scheme customers that they pay overall less than similar owners and cars exclusively linked to the Porsche scheme on average.

(9) When you sell your car you can simply stop the payments which being monthly are easier to budget for and no loss on sale of the car.

(10) I think that by excluding wear and tear items the Porsche scheme limits their exposure whereas by including it - we cover all problems with a reduced cost repair and of course because of that our incentive is to keep the car running without problems whereas if you are charging full price for wear and tear failures - there is not the same incentive to avoid them (no implications suggested - just fact). So when we receive a car for its annual service it is very much in our interests to make sure nothing goes wrong until we see it again a year later and as a result the reliability of cars under our scheme is extremely high.

(11) You can also be reassured by simple commercial logic that we would be stupid to "find a fault" that we claim needs to be fixed prematurely (to increase our turnover - no implications again - just fact) as we are paying for the labour FOC - but on the other hand we would also be stupid to leave anything we think will not last until the next service as it will then cost us more to fix it as a returned car for one job - and this would not be the same issue if full price was being charged whenever it eventually failed.

The Porsche scheme is good and best for many people and the extension of it may well suit those with higher mileage cars that can afford it.

We are already close to capacity with our scheme and do not push it nor try and be competitive with the Porsche scheme to increase our business (we are perfectly happy with the numbers presently on the scheme) - so we all accept it will suit some and not others.

I don't know what you all think but I think that to be critical of it on pure cost terms - is a little unfair to say the least!

For anyone worried about their engine and unable to justify the Porsche warranty costs and add on service and repair costs (to keep their car eligible) or not excited about the prospect of a new engine with the same faults the old one failed with and preferring monthly payments - our scheme may well still be attractive to them.

Although the starting cost is quite high - it is extremely thorough and includes steering geo, engine condition checks (boroscope etc), road tests and a comprehensive report (there is no such cost for one of our sale cars and nothing to do for it to be eligible for our scheme either - so just the monthly costs there).

Our scheme is more a mutual commitment to be paid regularly to keep a customers car running well for as long as they own it and reducing the costs or wear and tear repairs (including engines failures) adding the availability of some lower cost and improved technical components and building up a proper planned maintenance plan and cover. Our fixed costs are of course increasingly more expensive as the mileage increases (whereas the Porsche scheme annual cost is a fixed price for all mileages) but then so would a car be in invoice costs under the Porsche scheme at their wear and tear replacement prices.

Overall - because the Porsche scheme is a fixed annual payment regardless of annual mileage - our scheme is probably the lowest cost for low annual mileage cars (because the payments are low) and that the attractiveness or competitiveness of our scheme reduces with higher mileages (except perhaps when you properly factor in the full cost of the more frequent repairs needed for a higher mileage car between Porsche full prices and our parts only charges and the technical specification of a replacement engine).

Baz


Baz



S1MMA

2,378 posts

218 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
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Good news that they have extended it to 15 years.

Mine is in it's last year at the moment, I had about 7 months cover left.

I will be extending to 15 years - 997 GT3.

I have had very good value out of the warranty, the car has always had OPC warranty. The freak PCCB disc failure I had this year was over £5k to fix and was covered by warranty.

I have already made a previous post about warranty value - and for cars over 10 years old you are getting great value from extending further. The risk of part failure obviously goes up with age and usage, so I believe it's good value from years 10-15 to keep renewing. Whether you will get £5k of value is debatable, but one major thing to go wrong in years 10-15 will see you quids in. Engine on a mezger car also wouldn't be fun to replace, however unlikely!

Carl_Manchester

12,103 posts

261 months

Wednesday 23rd December 2015
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Gawd Cmoose look what you have done now, upset our poor Baz at Christmas.