appealed a PCN but heard nothing
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I was given a PCN for parking in a disabled bay without a blue badge on 08 November 2015. I appealed on 10 November 2015 on the grounds that I forgot to display the badge. I was parked outside my mum's house where there is a disabled bay (not put in specifically for her, mind) and was returning her home because she was unwell when we went out for dinner. I have parked there hundreds of times over the years when dropping her off or collecting her but this time forgot to display the badge.
I thought I'd appeal and see what happens.
The automatic email said they would let me know within 56 days of their decision. Some 60 ish days have passed since then. No email from them.
I guess 56 days could be 56 working days?
What to do? Forget about it or chase them?
I thought I'd appeal and see what happens.
The automatic email said they would let me know within 56 days of their decision. Some 60 ish days have passed since then. No email from them.
I guess 56 days could be 56 working days?
What to do? Forget about it or chase them?
Just don't mention the possibility of the appeal response letter being lost in the post and not getting to you, as Loon will flip out on you...... oh, wait.
Seriously, I suspect that the appeal has been delayed during the Christmas break, but you could always try to chase it up yourself.
Seriously, I suspect that the appeal has been delayed during the Christmas break, but you could always try to chase it up yourself.
Had similar, appealed a parking ticket for parking on a yellow outside of work 2 minutes inside a controlled hour.
Appealed it and expected a reply back before I left the country for 3 weeks.
No reply turned up so I called the number and they informed me it hadnt been decided yet so I informed them of my being out the country and they noted that in case it turned up while I was away.
It didn't it turned up some 6 weeks later.
Call them and ask about it. It's the only way you'll get a solid answer rather then internet speculation.
Appealed it and expected a reply back before I left the country for 3 weeks.
No reply turned up so I called the number and they informed me it hadnt been decided yet so I informed them of my being out the country and they noted that in case it turned up while I was away.
It didn't it turned up some 6 weeks later.
Call them and ask about it. It's the only way you'll get a solid answer rather then internet speculation.
MrJuice said:
I was given a PCN for parking in a disabled bay without a blue badge on 08 November 2015. I appealed on 10 November 2015 on the grounds that I forgot to display the badge. I was parked outside my mum's house where there is a disabled bay (not put in specifically for her, mind) and was returning her home because she was unwell when we went out for dinner. I have parked there hundreds of times over the years when dropping her off or collecting her but this time forgot to display the badge.
I thought I'd appeal and see what happens.
The automatic email said they would let me know within 56 days of their decision. Some 60 ish days have passed since then. No email from them.
I guess 56 days could be 56 working days?
What to do? Forget about it or chase them?
This is one area where you can safely ignore and wait to see what, if anything, the LA does.I thought I'd appeal and see what happens.
The automatic email said they would let me know within 56 days of their decision. Some 60 ish days have passed since then. No email from them.
I guess 56 days could be 56 working days?
What to do? Forget about it or chase them?
Unlike a PPC Parking Charge Notice, a LA Penalty Charge Notice is subject to full statutory controls.
The Regulations make no mention of working days, therefore the normal interpretation applies. The 56 days are calendar.
As you were given a windscreen ticket, Regulation 9 applies - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007/3482/regul...
The response must be served within that time frame. If they fail it's an automatic win.
If the LA subsequently issues a NTO, challenge it immediately on the grounds of a procedural impropriety.
As you have received e-mail confirmation it means that the LA has received your reps (presumably done online)
If so, it can't avail itself of the 6 months rule. See Regs 19 & 20 - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007/3483/conte...
Let me see if I have got this right.
You sent them an e-mail on 10th November.
Their system generated an automatic response
(I assume that was the same day: can you confirm?).
They sent you a further e-mail on 12th January telling you that it's on hold.
10/11/15 to 12/01/16 is 9 weeks or 63 days.
They are having a giraffe. The clock starts ticking when they received your 10th November e-mail.
If their system confirmed receipt on that date they are stuffed.
Waiting 63 days to get round to digesting the contents of your e-mail is their problem.
Somebody had dropped the ball methinks. They will have to bin it imo.
It is possible that they may try putting the blame on a system glitch (it's been tried before).
i.e. your reps disappeared into a big black hole at their end. Wait and see. If so, post up asap.
If push comes to shove a PATAS (for London Boroughs) or TPT (everywhere else) appeal will be needed.
That is some way off yet. There are defined steps for this dance. Don't improvise or you may lose.
Which LA is it btw? Some have form for messing up their admin.
You sent them an e-mail on 10th November.
Their system generated an automatic response
(I assume that was the same day: can you confirm?).
They sent you a further e-mail on 12th January telling you that it's on hold.
10/11/15 to 12/01/16 is 9 weeks or 63 days.
They are having a giraffe. The clock starts ticking when they received your 10th November e-mail.
If their system confirmed receipt on that date they are stuffed.
Waiting 63 days to get round to digesting the contents of your e-mail is their problem.
Somebody had dropped the ball methinks. They will have to bin it imo.
It is possible that they may try putting the blame on a system glitch (it's been tried before).
i.e. your reps disappeared into a big black hole at their end. Wait and see. If so, post up asap.
If push comes to shove a PATAS (for London Boroughs) or TPT (everywhere else) appeal will be needed.
That is some way off yet. There are defined steps for this dance. Don't improvise or you may lose.
Which LA is it btw? Some have form for messing up their admin.
I appealed using their online form on 10 November for a ticket issued on 08 November. Got an immediate automatic response telling me they would let me know within 56 days.
Then heard nothing from them at all
Then approx 60 days after my appeal, I sent them an email stating the PCN number, when I appealed and that I hadn't heard anything despite 56 days having passed. I told them I had been checking my junk mail folder but their reply wasn't there or anywhere else in my email folders. Got a reply for that email as posted above saying they are looking at it
As you say, they haven't kept to their own rules so should cancel on those grounds.
If not, I shall post again seeking your counsel
Thank you Red Devil and everyone else
Then heard nothing from them at all
Then approx 60 days after my appeal, I sent them an email stating the PCN number, when I appealed and that I hadn't heard anything despite 56 days having passed. I told them I had been checking my junk mail folder but their reply wasn't there or anywhere else in my email folders. Got a reply for that email as posted above saying they are looking at it
As you say, they haven't kept to their own rules so should cancel on those grounds.
If not, I shall post again seeking your counsel
Thank you Red Devil and everyone else
Harrow Council replied via email at 07:26 this morning with a PDF attachment. The letter says they have considered the appeal and have rejected it. I must now pay
I appealed within a few days of receiving the PCN. In their letter this morning they say I must pay £110 becuase the period for paying £55 has now elapsed
This all sounds wrong! What to do?
I appealed within a few days of receiving the PCN. In their letter this morning they say I must pay £110 becuase the period for paying £55 has now elapsed
This all sounds wrong! What to do?
I don't think that you were ever likely to win your appeal saying that you forgot to display your badge.Its not a great deal of difference parking in a car park,getting a ticket and submit an appeal based on you forgot to buy a ticket.
I think some councils have the view if someone has the ordasity to appeal then they will make sure they do not reply until after the timeframe of the opportunity to pay half the amount.
I think some councils have the view if someone has the ordasity to appeal then they will make sure they do not reply until after the timeframe of the opportunity to pay half the amount.
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