Employer healthcare referral

[wolves_wanderer]

XFDreamer said:

swerni said:

Do they all have the same attitude as you?

No idea mate, we're all busy getting on with our jobs, unlike (maybe) someone who has time to make 25000 posts on a internet forum.

[don4l]

OP, may I ask you how many days in the past year were you too ill to work?

Another question (if I may)... How many separate times were you ill?

[XFDreamer]

don4l said:

OP, may I ask you how many days in the past year were you too ill to work?

Another question (if I may)... How many separate times were you ill?

You can.

I had 8 days sickness in July 2014. This triggered stage 1.

I had another 4 days in February 2015. This triggered stage 2.

I had 4 days in December 2015.
This triggered stage 3.

I then returned to work but felt unable to continue after 4 hours work so I had to go home.

I had a further 4 days in December 2015. This triggered stage 4 and this is the point the company send you to the doctor.

Had I not gone back to work for 4 hours I would of stayed at stage 3.

If I have no more sickness before December 2016 I will return to stage zero.

Total sickness in 18 months is 16 days.

None of the sickness periods are related apart from the last two.

[Devil2575]

My brother in law is a very dedicated employee. He works very hard and works very long hours and has never shied away from his responsibilities.
Some time back he broke his foot while at work. As his job requires him to be on his feet all day, he was middle management for a well known supermarket chain, he effectively couldn't work so was off work for a period of weeks until he was able to return.
Some time later he collapsed in the shower and ended up in Hospital where he was diagnosed with pneumonia. The Hospital kept him in for a week but when he was discharged he was advised to take another two weeks off work to recover properly. Even before he was out of hospital his boss was ringing him daily wanting to know when he would be back in work. In the end he returned a week earlier than advised but was subject to a formal warning for excessive absence.

He left and now works for a different company, one with rather a better reputation and one that treats its employees a little bit better.

[SpeedMattersNot]

Devil2575 said:

My brother in law is a very dedicated employee. He works very hard and works very long hours and has never shied away from his responsibilities.
Some time back he broke his foot while at work. As his job requires him to be on his feet all day, he was middle management for a well known supermarket chain, he effectively couldn't work so was off work for a period of weeks until he was able to return.
Some time later he collapsed in the shower and ended up in Hospital where he was diagnosed with pneumonia. The Hospital kept him in for a week but when he was discharged he was advised to take another two weeks off work to recover properly. Even before he was out of hospital his boss was ringing him daily wanting to know when he would be back in work. In the end he returned a week earlier than advised but was subject to a formal warning for excessive absence.

He left and now works for a different company, one with rather a better reputation and one that treats its employees a little bit better.

That's awful. I know PH doesn't sympathise with people who take sick days.

I've worked in an environment where you were pushed too hard physically (expected to break multiple health and safety rules on a daily basis) yet one or two employees were, in my opinion given constructive dismissal by when they returned to work from a work related injury, the jobs they were doing were so boring that they left. Thankfully there are also heart-warming stories I know of, such as the lady at work who is only 27 who suffers from what's known as the 'suicide heachache' and the manager has been very accommodating and understanding throughout.

[Granfondo]

Devil2575 said:

My brother in law is a very dedicated employee. He works very hard and works very long hours and has never shied away from his responsibilities.
Some time back he broke his foot while at work. As his job requires him to be on his feet all day, he was middle management for a well known supermarket chain, he effectively couldn't work so was off work for a period of weeks until he was able to return.
Some time later he collapsed in the shower and ended up in Hospital where he was diagnosed with pneumonia. The Hospital kept him in for a week but when he was discharged he was advised to take another two weeks off work to recover properly. Even before he was out of hospital his boss was ringing him daily wanting to know when he would be back in work. In the end he returned a week earlier than advised but was subject to a formal warning for excessive absence.

He left and now works for a different company, one with rather a better reputation and one that treats its employees a little bit better.

As an employer I am interested in the fact they gave a warning to someone that had a doctors line!
How can that be legal?
I have heard of a supermarket that "every little helps" telling staff after illness that they can't be sick again or there out!
Again how can this be legal if you have a doctors line?

[Soov535]

XFDreamer said:

.............I would of stayed at stage 3................

This on its own is ample reason for dismissal

[SpeedMattersNot]

Soov535 said:

XFDreamer said:

.............I would of stayed at stage 3................

This on its own is ample reason for dismissal

Harsh, but fair.

[Devil2575]

Granfondo said:

As an employer I am interested in the fact they gave a warning to someone that had a doctors line!
How can that be legal?
I have heard of a supermarket that "every little helps" telling staff after illness that they can't be sick again or there out!
Again how can this be legal if you have a doctors line?

It wasn't that one actually, it was the one that you might have more reasons to shop at.

Following that incident he got a job with Waitrose who he likes working for a lot more.

[Devil2575]

SpeedMattersNot said:

hat's awful. I know PH doesn't sympathise with people who take sick days.

I've worked in an environment where you were pushed too hard physically (expected to break multiple health and safety rules on a daily basis) yet one or two employees were, in my opinion given constructive dismissal by when they returned to work from a work related injury, the jobs they were doing were so boring that they left. Thankfully there are also heart-warming stories I know of, such as the lady at work who is only 27 who suffers from what's known as the 'suicide heachache' and the manager has been very accommodating and understanding throughout.

I know guys who work for companies where they are routinely expected to break the companies own rules. An example being a rep who is expected to visit customer sites across a wide area and by the letter of the company procedures is not allowed to drive more than X miles a day or for more than X hours, but who gets challenged very hard when he dares to try and expense a night in a hotel.

At the other end of the spectrum the company that I work for payed full sickeness pay for an employee who was diagnosed with cancer despite him not having been there long enough to be legally entitled to it.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Devil2575 said:

I know guys who work for companies where they are routinely expected to break the companies own rules.

This is common practice. Many firms ban all phone calls whilst driving in their company procedures, including hands free, but all hell breaks lose if the employee actually adheres to this and refuses to take calls whilst driving.

They blatantly admit it's just to cover themselves in the event of an accident, but they don't actually expect employees to follow the instruction.

[eccles]

Granfondo said:

As an employer I am interested in the fact they gave a warning to someone that had a doctors line!
How can that be legal?

The company I work for include time off with a doctors note in their calculations for sickness absence, not just self certified.

[eccles]

Devil2575 said:

At the other end of the spectrum the company that I work for payed full sickeness pay for an employee who was diagnosed with cancer despite him not having been there long enough to be legally entitled to it.

My last company did something similar.
We were going through a redundancy process and he was made redundant, but the company kept him on the books so his widow could get his death in service benefits.

[PHCorvette]

SpeedMattersNot said:

Devil2575 said:

My brother in law is a very dedicated employee. He works very hard and works very long hours and has never shied away from his responsibilities.
Some time back he broke his foot while at work. As his job requires him to be on his feet all day, he was middle management for a well known supermarket chain, he effectively couldn't work so was off work for a period of weeks until he was able to return.
Some time later he collapsed in the shower and ended up in Hospital where he was diagnosed with pneumonia. The Hospital kept him in for a week but when he was discharged he was advised to take another two weeks off work to recover properly. Even before he was out of hospital his boss was ringing him daily wanting to know when he would be back in work. In the end he returned a week earlier than advised but was subject to a formal warning for excessive absence.

He left and now works for a different company, one with rather a better reputation and one that treats its employees a little bit better.

That's awful. I know PH doesn't sympathise with people who take sick days.

I've worked in an environment where you were pushed too hard physically (expected to break multiple health and safety rules on a daily basis) yet one or two employees were, in my opinion given constructive dismissal by when they returned to work from a work related injury, the jobs they were doing were so boring that they left. Thankfully there are also heart-warming stories I know of, such as the lady at work who is only 27 who suffers from what's known as the 'suicide heachache' and the manager has been very accommodating and understanding throughout.

disgusting of the company, and potentially they set themselves up for a bit of trouble. Duty of care to an employee on long term sick is something no one should forget, calling once a week for an update = probably ok but daily = harassment.

[majordad]

Any update here ?

[XFDreamer]

majordad said:

Any update here ?

I have an appointment with a Doctor next week (in company time)

Reading between the lines it's just procedure and the most likely outcome is a step back down the companies sick scale.

[majordad]

Good luck, you've awakened the PH masses .

[XFDreamer]

majordad said:

Good luck, you've awakened the PH masses .

Thanks majordad.

It would seem you're one of a few on here who seem to be on my side.

Most of the others seem to think I'm some sort of militant leftie out to bring my employer to it's knees.

It couldn't be farther from the truth.

[TankRizzo]

It's perfectly possible to be ill from work enough times to trigger HR investigations. I've recently had 3 periods of sickness in a 12-month rolling period and this is enough to start our HR team getting involved.

According to some on here that should be enough to make me get managed out

[scarble]

XFDreamer said:

Thanks majordad.

It would seem you're one of a few on here who seem to be on my side.

Most of the others seem to think I'm some sort of militant leftie out to bring my employer to it's knees.

It couldn't be farther from the truth.

I don't come here much any more, partly due to the aggro you've been the target of, but thought I'd better pop in and say I think you're being perfectly reasonable.
Forget the haters