Recieved an NIP. Now i'm confused.

[SS2.]

agtlaw said:

You may wish to send a cover letter when you return the completed form. Point out the mistake. If you're lucky then no further action will be taken.

OP - do this..

[Labbetts]

agtlaw said:

Errors in the notice do not automatically render it invalid.

You may wish to send a cover letter when you return the completed form. Point out the mistake. If you're lucky then no further action will be taken.

But then what do they need to provide to make it viable.
Surely when it comes to an offence of this nature, an inacurracy as big as this (the actual speed of the vehicle) must surely invalidate the prosecution no? I'm guessing they can't manually adjust it.

[SS2.]

agtlaw said:

Wilkinson paragraph..

Messrs. McCormac and Wallis need to get their return key repaired..

[Labbetts]

agtlaw said:

A notice referred in error to dangerous driving at “1.15pm”; in fact, the accident from which...

feels somewhat different though. The detail in this is quite incidental in the offence (dangerous driving Vs detail of location it occured). feels like they were trying to worm their way out of it on a technicallity. Magistrates were clearly having none of it.

In my case, the speed is the offence. And the speed they've stated is too low.
It would have to be manually adjusted, or corrected. And then do i have grounds to distrust that?

What do they normally provide by way of evidence at the next stage?

Thanks for all your replies though chaps.

[agtlaw]

Labbetts said:

But then what do they need to provide to make it viable.
Surely when it comes to an offence of this nature, an inacurracy as big as this (the actual speed of the vehicle) must surely invalidate the prosecution no? I'm guessing they can't manually adjust it.

See my previous posts. It's now too late to amend. Apparently you're not the RK in any event.

They will either abandon this case or run with it as is.

Complete the driver information form. Send a cover letter. Ensure they get it by using 'Signed For' post.

[Labbetts]

agtlaw said:

Labbetts said:

But then what do they need to provide to make it viable.
Surely when it comes to an offence of this nature, an inacurracy as big as this (the actual speed of the vehicle) must surely invalidate the prosecution no? I'm guessing they can't manually adjust it.

See my previous posts. It's now too late to amend. Apparently you're not the RK in any event.

They will either abandon this case or run with it as is.

Complete the driver information form. Send a cover letter. Ensure they get it by using 'Signed For' post.

that's the plan. grateful. thnx

[rewc]

Labbetts said:

I don't actually know the road that well (A414 London Road / Harlow)
The part they are reffering to though is a dual carridgeway in pretty open countryside, so i suspect it will be a 40. That's my recollection anyway. In any case, that's what's stated on the NIP so not sure what else i can go off ?!?

I am not too familiar with the area but I thought London Road was a SC road that runs parallel to the A414? The A414 and London road are completely different roads?

Edited by rewc on Thursday 14th January 16:50

[Labbetts]

rewc said:

I am not too familiar with the area but I thought London Road was a SC road that runs parallel to the A414? The A414 and London road are completely different roads?

Edited by rewc on Thursday 14th January 16:50

I'm guessing they're referring to the junction where they meet. Which would make sense.

[btcc123]

OP I think you are better off ringing the phone number on the NIP to sort it out.I had a positive outcome doing it that way.

[Labbetts]

btcc123 said:

OP I think you are better off ringing the phone number on the NIP to sort it out.I had a positive outcome doing it that way.

Have tried fella. Goes through to numerous answerphone messages. No human beings. About right.

[ferrariF50lover]

Labbetts said:

I don't actually know the road that well (A414 London Road / Harlow)
The part they are reffering to though is a dual carridgeway in pretty open countryside, so i suspect it will be a 40. That's my recollection anyway. In any case, that's what's stated on the NIP so not sure what else i can go off ?!?

There's a little known American company which has actually been operating in the UK for a while now. They're called Google and they, inter alia, provide mapping services to the public at large.

Come now, Mr Labbetts, you're on the Internet as we speak, there's no way you couldn't have worked this one out on your own.

At 34mph, I suspect you may now qualify for the LoonR1 special service... If you can find him.

[Labbetts]

ferrariF50lover said:

Labbetts said:

I don't actually know the road that well (A414 London Road / Harlow)
The part they are reffering to though is a dual carridgeway in pretty open countryside, so i suspect it will be a 40. That's my recollection anyway. In any case, that's what's stated on the NIP so not sure what else i can go off ?!?

There's a little known American company which has actually been operating in the UK for a while now. They're called Google and they, inter alia, provide mapping services to the public at large.

Come now, Mr Labbetts, you're on the Internet as we speak, there's no way you couldn't have worked this one out on your own.

clearly please point out where the speed limit button is and i'll gladly check.

ferrariF50lover said:

At 34mph, I suspect you may now qualify for the LoonR1 special service... If you can find him.

...i'm intruiged

[Labbetts]

I take that back. Google street view is your friend It's a 40.

[Red Devil]

Labbetts said:

ferrariF50lover said:

Unfortunately for you, yes.

Let's clear up the other issue. You know the road, you've got the name of it on the NIP, is it a 40 or a 30?

I don't actually know the road that well (A414 London Road / Harlow)
The part they are reffering to though is a dual carridgeway in pretty open countryside, so i suspect it will be a 40. That's my recollection anyway. In any case, that's what's stated on the NIP so not sure what else i can go off ?!?

Not sure exactly where you were nabbed but AFAIK all of the d/c section is 40 - https://goo.gl/maps/LJNy2ktrFd92

[Variomatic]

ferrariF50lover said:

At 34mph, I suspect you may now qualify for the LoonR1 special service... If you can find him.

Iirc, his challenge was to produce one for "1mph over the limit". In which case he'd probably argue (at great length) that 6mph below the limit doesn't count

[BertBert]

Variomatic said:

Iirc, his challenge was to produce one for "1mph over the limit". In which case he'd probably argue (at great length) that 6mph below the limit doesn't count

I think it was for anything 10%+2 or below. So 35 or below in a 30. However this one seems to be 34 in a 40. I'd be returning the S172 request and look forward to a day on court. I'd also have to revoke my PH membership for being caught at 34 in a 40

[Red Devil]

London Road is not the A414 btw. It's a s/c and runs parallel to it.
Except for the last few yards to its junction with the A414 it's a 30.
https://goo.gl/maps/zvGNAbeg6bG2

There seems to be some ambiguity with that NoIP.
Different roads with different limits. So which one are they enforcing?
34 only makes sense in the 30 limit section of London Road.
I'm wondering if the trap was set up at the junction of the two.
i.e. in the 40 section of London Road but targeting the 30 part.
If so, a tad sneaky but there you go.

[Boosted LS1]

Of course it's sneaky. They wouldn't set up a trap where everybody was bunched up together doing 10% under the limit would they.

[mybrainhurts]

Labbetts said:

Which brings me back to the bigger issue - in that there is no offence according the this correpondance. Unless driving 6MPH under the limit is now illegal.

It is, but only if you look at them in a funny way or drive over the cracks in the road.

[ferrariF50lover]

Labbetts said:

I take that back. Google street view is your friend It's a 40.

By George, I think he's got it!

Now, the question is, is it a detection error (going after you for 6mph under the limit) or a fat fingers error (typing 34 instead of 44/54/1,000,000,000)?

Probably only one way to find out.

How fking cool would a speed limit button be, by the way!?