The classic... 70 in a 50, A90 Aberdeenshire

[Crusoe]

Really should be charged with driving without due care and attention if they claimed not to know the limit was changing. Junction with extra lighting, warning signs for cars crossing, 50 limit signs with lots of repeater signs and count down signs before plus a big board showing if you are breaking the limit before the camera which is in yellow with high reflective stripes. Brother in law did the same early in the morning on cruise control set to 75 all the way from Dundee to Aberdeen and didn't even register the flash (at least his sister pays more attention). Pleaded guilty by post and got 6 points and a £100 fine if I remember correctly.

[WD39]

QuickQuack said:

WD39 said:

Pete317 said:

WD39 said:

simoid said:

Posting on behalf of a good friend.

Dry day, excellent visibility, very light traffic, dual carriageway.

This is a common excuse on PH for those who are caught speeding.

As if these make a difference.

Speed limits are in force 24/7, regardless of the weather conditions, environment or topographical variations.

You don't say

Yes, I do say. In my local paper this week, up before the beak for speeding. The excuse? 'But there was no other traffic around.'

Guilty!

It is no bad thing to be reminded occasionally. (I'll now cross you off the list.)

Whether it's the OP or not is immaterial but what is clear is that s/he's not trying to get out of the punishment for the crime, only trying to minimise the punishment which is a totally different attitude. They obviously don't need your reminder, the police have already done that and it seems to have worked.

A holier than thou/my st doesn't stink approach is rarely productive.

Oh, but it does.

[Willy Nilly]

WD39 said:

Speed limits are in force 24/7, regardless of the weather conditions, environment or topographical variations.

That doesn't make the speed limit right though.

[GreatGranny]

But it still makes it enforceable :-)

[ModernAndy]

Willy Nilly said:

WD39 said:

Speed limits are in force 24/7, regardless of the weather conditions, environment or topographical variations.

That doesn't make the speed limit right though.

Have you driven on the bit of road in question? I only ask as I'm wondering if you mean the 50mph limit at Laurencekirk isn't justified.

[ModernAndy]

Willy Nilly said:

WD39 said:

Speed limits are in force 24/7, regardless of the weather conditions, environment or topographical variations.

That doesn't make the speed limit right though.

Have you driven on the bit of road in question? I only ask as I'm wondering if you mean the 50mph limit at Laurencekirk isn't justified.

[simoid]

WD39 said:

simoid said:

Posting on behalf of a good friend.

Dry day, excellent visibility, very light traffic, dual carriageway.

This is a common excuse on PH for those who are caught speeding.

As if these make a difference.

Speed limits are in force 24/7, regardless of the weather conditions, environment or topographical variations.

It wasn't an excuse, far from it. Just giving the full story to assist others in the provision of opinions.

I think it does make a difference - I imagine the court would have a different outlook if the offence was 70 in a 50 in a foggy blizzard, icy road, heavy traffic, single carriageway, etc.

[simoid]

Crusoe said:

Really should be charged with driving without due care and attention if they claimed not to know the limit was changing. Junction with extra lighting, warning signs for cars crossing, 50 limit signs with lots of repeater signs and count down signs before plus a big board showing if you are breaking the limit before the camera which is in yellow with high reflective stripes. Brother in law did the same early in the morning on cruise control set to 75 all the way from Dundee to Aberdeen and didn't even register the flash (at least his sister pays more attention). Pleaded guilty by post and got 6 points and a £100 fine if I remember correctly.

Thanks, I imagine that'll be a similar outcome to what we're looking at here. We'v both driven the road countless times, and speeding past it really mystifies us too. I was obviously passengering without DCA too

[WD39]

simoid said:

WD39 said:

simoid said:

Posting on behalf of a good friend.

Dry day, excellent visibility, very light traffic, dual carriageway.

This is a common excuse on PH for those who are caught speeding.

As if these make a difference.

Speed limits are in force 24/7, regardless of the weather conditions, environment or topographical variations.

It wasn't an excuse, far from it. Just giving the full story to assist others in the provision of opinions.

I think it does make a difference - I imagine the court would have a different outlook if the offence was 70 in a 50 in a foggy blizzard, icy road, heavy traffic, single carriageway, etc.

But you mentioned the weather etc. as if in mitigation. Speeding is speeding.

[WD39]

Willy Nilly said:

WD39 said:

Speed limits are in force 24/7, regardless of the weather conditions, environment or topographical variations.

That doesn't make the speed limit right though.

It takes on average 9 to 12 months to bring into effect a new speed limit.

It goes through surveys ,monitoring, meetings, more meetings and consultation with interested parties etc before the final decision is made. Then further delays for the actual work to be allocated.

It's not a case of just sticking up a few spare signs when the local authority is at a loose end.

Our village waited 15 months before the 30mph signs were installed.

[simoid]

WD39 said:

simoid said:

WD39 said:

simoid said:

Posting on behalf of a good friend.

Dry day, excellent visibility, very light traffic, dual carriageway.

This is a common excuse on PH for those who are caught speeding.

As if these make a difference.

Speed limits are in force 24/7, regardless of the weather conditions, environment or topographical variations.

It wasn't an excuse, far from it. Just giving the full story to assist others in the provision of opinions.

I think it does make a difference - I imagine the court would have a different outlook if the offence was 70 in a 50 in a foggy blizzard, icy road, heavy traffic, single carriageway, etc.

But you mentioned the weather etc. as if in mitigation. Speeding is speeding.

I did indeed. As I said, not an excuse, just giving the circumstances that I thought the court might consider.

Your assertion that "speeding is speeding" is not true in the eyes of the law, where there's "speeding but we'll ignore it", "speeding and we'll jail him" and everything in between

[johnwilliams77]

FFS guys. A simple thread where someone is asking for advise and half of the responses are petty argument's / nitpicking that deserve a slap in a normal f2f conversation.

[DaveH23]

WD39 said:

simoid said:

Posting on behalf of a good friend.

Dry day, excellent visibility, very light traffic, dual carriageway.

This is a common excuse on PH for those who are caught speeding.

As if these make a difference.

Speed limits are in force 24/7, regardless of the weather conditions, environment or topographical variations.

Not 100% but good try.

A few years ago I was up skiing in scotland and the road on the way to our lodge was if I remember correctly a 50 mph road.

This road went passed a school with signs up saying 30mph phone when lights are flashing.

I remember seeing this and thinking what a great idea.

[jshell]

Sorry for her, but not too much as that has historically been a real accident black-spot. But echo others in that I cannot understand not seeing the signs, lights, red/yellow camera and brake lights all around and crossing traffic. I'm through that camera every week, Thurs or Fri night and have seen on a few occasions that there is also a scamera van shortly after the Gatso. I always slow to 56, check for follow-up camera and then boot it - watching for vans on the following long straight section...

[simoid]

jshell said:

Sorry for her, but not too much as that has historically been a real accident black-spot. But echo others in that I cannot understand not seeing the signs, lights, red/yellow camera and brake lights all around and crossing traffic. I'm through that camera every week, Thurs or Fri night and have seen on a few occasions that there is also a scamera van shortly after the Gatso. I always slow to 56, check for follow-up camera and then boot it - watching for vans on the following long straight section...

Yes indeed, we can't understand it either. We used to do the drive a few times a month a few years ago, but this was the first time for a while.

NB for anyone looking for a "holier than thou" argument, the following is not an excuse, just a theory to serve as a warning/education to others: I reckon there must've been a bus/HGV wandering about in its lane, or equivalent, something to take the attention away from the roadfurniture. You know that video where you're asked to count the basketball passes, and so don't notice the man in the scarily obvious gorilla suit walking through the shot? Be careful out there!

[Renovation]

IME it makes zero difference whether you turn up or not.

I used to go in a suit, plead guilty etc and if anything I received harsher punishments than the oiks before me in tracksuits.

You've saved probably £200+ by not travelling and taking a day off work so I'd send a letter, if possible.

[WD39]

johnwilliams77 said:

FFS guys. A simple thread where someone is asking for advise and half of the responses are petty argument's / nitpicking that deserve a slap in a normal f2f conversation.

PH threads and debates almost always expand and divert from the OP comments and question.

This to me is a proper and interesting way to discuss the points raised.

The PH posters invariably return to the subject on message. (eventually.)

It's what PH is all about, and quite rightly.

[WD39]

simoid said:

WD39 said:

simoid said:

WD39 said:

simoid said:

Posting on behalf of a good friend.

Dry day, excellent visibility, very light traffic, dual carriageway.

This is a common excuse on PH for those who are caught speeding.

As if these make a difference.

Speed limits are in force 24/7, regardless of the weather conditions, environment or topographical variations.

It wasn't an excuse, far from it. Just giving the full story to assist others in the provision of opinions.

I think it does make a difference - I imagine the court would have a different outlook if the offence was 70 in a 50 in a foggy blizzard, icy road, heavy traffic, single carriageway, etc.

But you mentioned the weather etc. as if in mitigation. Speeding is speeding.

I did indeed. As I said, not an excuse, just giving the circumstances that I thought the court might consider.

Your assertion that "speeding is speeding" is not true in the eyes of the law, where there's "speeding but we'll ignore it", "speeding and we'll jail him" and everything in between

Quite right, an over simplification on my part.

Edited by WD39 on Friday 29th January 09:39

[matchmaker]

Renovation said:

IME it makes zero difference whether you turn up or not.

I used to go in a suit, plead guilty etc and if anything I received harsher punishments than the oiks before me in tracksuits.

You've saved probably £200+ by not travelling and taking a day off work so I'd send a letter, if possible.

My response to the OP (post #2) was based on my experience in actually working in the courts in that area (and all over Scotland) for 20 years...

[johnwilliams77]

WD39 said:

PH threads and debates almost always expand and divert from the OP comments and question.

This to me is a proper and interesting way to discuss the points raised.

The PH posters invariably return to the subject on message. (eventually.)

It's what PH is all about, and quite rightly.

I enjoy thread diversions. Arguing for no reason or nitpicking / general ahole replies seems commonplace compared to smaller forums. I am glad you enjoy it.