27 mph in a 20 zone - nicked.
Discussion
Guybrush said:
All that jazz said:
Why is it even 20? Decent road, flat and straight as far as the eye can see with houses set back from the road and good wide grass verges and footpaths. No reason for that to be 20 at all, 30 would be perfectly fine with enforcement by the Truvelo if they insist.
If the limit is lower than reasonable, you're more likely to see a revenue gathering exercise.
All that jazz said:
Why is it even 20? Decent road, flat and straight as far as the eye can see with houses set back from the road and good wide grass verges and footpaths. No reason for that to be 20 at all, 30 would be perfectly fine with enforcement by the Truvelo if they insist.
It's the main route from the west of Dunstable towards Houghton Regis and Toddington / The M1 if you want to avoid most of the pain of Dunstable high street traffic lights and the A5, so it's a bit of a rat run.There's a primary school alongside that road so there's probably been a few incidents of drivers in a hurry and pupils not looking where they're going. The streetview perspective is a bit misleading, the road isn't actually very wide and narrows when cars start parking on the street.
andygo said:
It goes back to the main road, probably 3/4 mile in the opposite direction to the camera. There were a few repeaters, but there you go. Live and learn. Ridiculous really, these 20mph limits. Nobody keeps to 20mph. All brought in to win a few votes here and there.
Check the regulations on repeaters. The 20s Plenty group of muppets has made various statements about not using repeaters and traffic calming correctly to reduce costs despite the amount the limit or zone unenforceable. FFS, these are being policed.
All of Stotfold has been turned into 20mph - seemingly not based on any accident statistics. The local calls for voluntary speed checkers has met with quite a lot of hostility. It seems that very few people support the lowered limits, while there is far more support for 30mph.
All of Stotfold has been turned into 20mph - seemingly not based on any accident statistics. The local calls for voluntary speed checkers has met with quite a lot of hostility. It seems that very few people support the lowered limits, while there is far more support for 30mph.
Guybrush said:
All that jazz said:
Why is it even 20? Decent road, flat and straight as far as the eye can see with houses set back from the road and good wide grass verges and footpaths. No reason for that to be 20 at all, 30 would be perfectly fine with enforcement by the Truvelo if they insist.
If the limit is lower than reasonable, you're more likely to see a revenue gathering exercise.How many speed limits have you put in/changed?
If the limit is lower than reasonable, the Chief Constable wouldn't sign it off.
Some Gump said:
OP,
http://www.20splentyforus.org.uk/UsefulReports/Dft...
Implies repeaters are needed.
Not sure 1 solitary repeater on the whole bit I could be bothered to look at classes as sufficient repeaters. (if you;re fighting it, obviously)
Zones and limits have separate requirements. In a limit, a single repeater is all you need, over and above the terminals. That could be on a road 100 miles long. It's not very sensible (!) but it is the rules. In zones, there are specific spacing requirements for "traffic calming measures" - recently, roundel signs and speed limit roundels painted on the road have been included in the definition of "traffic calming measures". http://www.20splentyforus.org.uk/UsefulReports/Dft...
Implies repeaters are needed.
Not sure 1 solitary repeater on the whole bit I could be bothered to look at classes as sufficient repeaters. (if you;re fighting it, obviously)
I used to be responsible for introducing 20mph zones in the City I worked in. There is a lot of wrong/paranoid/angry council information in this thread...
OpulentBob said:
Guybrush said:
All that jazz said:
Why is it even 20? Decent road, flat and straight as far as the eye can see with houses set back from the road and good wide grass verges and footpaths. No reason for that to be 20 at all, 30 would be perfectly fine with enforcement by the Truvelo if they insist.
If the limit is lower than reasonable, you're more likely to see a revenue gathering exercise.How many speed limits have you put in/changed?
If the limit is lower than reasonable, the Chief Constable wouldn't sign it off.
Yeah okay.
blank said:
Is that the road you cut through to get to The Downs having come down the A5?
Classic rat run if so! No doubt brought down to 20 due to people doing 40+ through a housing estate.
Brilliant bit of logic! Classic rat run if so! No doubt brought down to 20 due to people doing 40+ through a housing estate.
Drivers ignoring a 30 mph limit? -> Make it a 20 mph limit -> that'll learn 'em!
These 20 mph speed limits are a joke, normally installed in areas like Brighton by the good old green party who hate motorists and would rather we all rode pushbikes or went back to riding horses.
Of course we could all scrap the evil motor car that's killing the planet and use public transport, that's if the bus or train turns up, but remember that expensive train ticket may not mean you get to sit down...
OK... rant over
Of course we could all scrap the evil motor car that's killing the planet and use public transport, that's if the bus or train turns up, but remember that expensive train ticket may not mean you get to sit down...
OK... rant over
StottyEvo said:
blank said:
Is that the road you cut through to get to The Downs having come down the A5?
Classic rat run if so! No doubt brought down to 20 due to people doing 40+ through a housing estate.
Classic rat run if so! No doubt brought down to 20 due to people doing 40+ through a housing estate.
I imagine somebody sharing your logic made the decision 
The mind baffles. Edited by blank on Saturday 30th January 09:05
Living in Germany where the 20mph urban limit is the norm, but currently in London, where it's more often than not 30mph, the speed people drive round urban streets here seems ridiculously fast and dangerous.
The whole concept of shared urban road space seems to be done better in DE. It helps that there is a better cyclepath infrastructure, that the vast majority of drivers are cyclists themselves, that most cyclists have lights, that kids are expected to walk/scoot to school on designated 'Schulwege' so drivers are used to going at a sensible urban speed.
Residential estate roads are often designated 'Spielstrassen' and cars have to go at walking pace, give way to everything, aren't even allowed to park etc. My kids and their mates really do play football (in relative safety) on the road. Works beautifully.
Although we have loads of speed cameras every village will have an 'informal' reminder Radar check just before the new lower limit with a red 'Langsam' or a green 'Danke' sign that flashes up.
The whole concept of shared urban road space seems to be done better in DE. It helps that there is a better cyclepath infrastructure, that the vast majority of drivers are cyclists themselves, that most cyclists have lights, that kids are expected to walk/scoot to school on designated 'Schulwege' so drivers are used to going at a sensible urban speed.
Residential estate roads are often designated 'Spielstrassen' and cars have to go at walking pace, give way to everything, aren't even allowed to park etc. My kids and their mates really do play football (in relative safety) on the road. Works beautifully.
Although we have loads of speed cameras every village will have an 'informal' reminder Radar check just before the new lower limit with a red 'Langsam' or a green 'Danke' sign that flashes up.
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