NIP - Single witness, no measuring device (Excess of 50MPH)
Discussion
You know, when I decided to bother with PH, I had assumed the members would be into cars and as a result, that many would enjoy driving, including ways to get the most out of driving them. That speeding tickets were a terrible invention, and that enviro-nutters that try to restrict cars and their use would be reviled.
What I've found here since bothering to post is that rather than have banter, there's quite a movement who, and I'm not sure which yet, either think they are holier than thou, and seek to disparage or debunk anyone who loves using a car for the pleasure of it; or they simply believe they are the gurus of the membership, and that if you don't believe them, or don't agree with them, or have different experiences to them, then you must be wrong, stupid, a kid with a keyboard or worse.
Well chaps, I'm not going to be going anywhere, I'm going to keep making comments in various threads, sometimes they will be meant seriously, sometimes they will be funny, sometimes they will be the opposite of your view. Rest assured, I can always back up what I've said and I won't just make up bs just for you.
Maybe I should be flattered at the attention from those who hate, they seem to enjoy picking at me, and that means I must be making them feel insecure enough to need to try to justify things. I'm a nice chap guys, I like cars, I like beating the system once in a while, and if we met at a car show or something, I could bore you like the next man about cars for hours. Just remember. If you keep picking at me, I may have to post a reply, which you probably won't like either, and it's a never ending circle of BS, all cos you are annoyed/jealous/upset that I drive fast/have a faster or better car/drive a car you hate/can tell anecdotes/got a clean licence etc
What I've found here since bothering to post is that rather than have banter, there's quite a movement who, and I'm not sure which yet, either think they are holier than thou, and seek to disparage or debunk anyone who loves using a car for the pleasure of it; or they simply believe they are the gurus of the membership, and that if you don't believe them, or don't agree with them, or have different experiences to them, then you must be wrong, stupid, a kid with a keyboard or worse.
Well chaps, I'm not going to be going anywhere, I'm going to keep making comments in various threads, sometimes they will be meant seriously, sometimes they will be funny, sometimes they will be the opposite of your view. Rest assured, I can always back up what I've said and I won't just make up bs just for you.
Maybe I should be flattered at the attention from those who hate, they seem to enjoy picking at me, and that means I must be making them feel insecure enough to need to try to justify things. I'm a nice chap guys, I like cars, I like beating the system once in a while, and if we met at a car show or something, I could bore you like the next man about cars for hours. Just remember. If you keep picking at me, I may have to post a reply, which you probably won't like either, and it's a never ending circle of BS, all cos you are annoyed/jealous/upset that I drive fast/have a faster or better car/drive a car you hate/can tell anecdotes/got a clean licence etc
daytona355 said:
Not at all, try to do it in anything but first in the fezza and it burps and hops like crazy, and the merc simply won't stay at that level without the brake. Remember, both are performance cars, they aren't designed to stay so low. Still, I rarely come across 20 limits as I try to never enter the city of Bristol if I can help it, bandit country, hahaha
I'm surprised. Fair enough.daytona355 said:
Maybe I should be flattered at the attention from those who hate, they seem to enjoy picking at me, and that means I must be making them feel insecure enough to need to try to justify things. I'm a nice chap guys, I like cars, I like beating the system once in a while, and if we met at a car show or something, I could bore you like the next man about cars for hours. Just remember. If you keep picking at me, I may have to post a reply, which you probably won't like either, and it's a never ending circle of BS, all cos you are annoyed/jealous/upset that I drive fast/have a faster or better car/drive a car you hate/can tell anecdotes/got a clean licence etc
Well I'm certainly enjoying the thread and it's great that you've kept it jovial despite the negative comments. It's true that SP&L is very focussed on obeying the law rather than not. And certainly the threads on SP&L are often completely s
te for the poster - I used to post the occasional can anyone help me in a specific sitch, but don't bother anymore. There has been some great input from experts though over the years! And you must admit, your tale of driving like a loon, getting stopped 1 in 3 journeys and there never being any repercussions does take some believing. I don't think you are making people insecure or jealous with the fast car and fast driving and the superior blagging skills, it's just uman nature I reckon! Anyhows keep up the anecdotes!
Bert
Just to stoke the flames a bit but I've never had a problem keeping to 20mph in either a F430 or 458, and it doesn't lurch or feel unsettled. Both cars happily plodded along at that speed. I guess if you were in the wrong gear/not using auto it might feel like it wants to go, but tbh you always feel that.*
I fortunately don't encounter them that often where I drive either, though.
edit *: to qualify that I mean you sortof feel in your bones like you want to boot it
rather than the car fighting you staying at slow speeds. They are (in my experience) perfectly compliant, they'd have to be otherwise real first world problems like speedbumps would be nightmarish.
I fortunately don't encounter them that often where I drive either, though.
edit *: to qualify that I mean you sortof feel in your bones like you want to boot it
rather than the car fighting you staying at slow speeds. They are (in my experience) perfectly compliant, they'd have to be otherwise real first world problems like speedbumps would be nightmarish.Edited by Durzel on Sunday 7th February 09:56
My point was that I have to keep the 458 in first or second and a foot over the brake, and therefore it's not built to be travelling at stupid low speeds. It's not antisocial to go fast, it's antisocial to drive stupidly.
As for driving like a loon?, nope. Just locally, cops seem to have a fascination for my cars. It's not just this one, I've owned over 50 various cars over the last 15 years, most of which have had the same issues, hence I keep them such short periods. I've had every model of Ferrari since 348 barring the F12 and FF (so far), and it can be said that the astons attract very little attention, same as maseratis really, while the ferraris attract the most, probably as lots have the opinion demonstrated by the last poster about big willies. Much as I'd love to have a smaller one like him, it's more than large enough that the 458 is left purely as a driving tool, and performs no other psychological crutch! Hahahaha
As for driving like a loon?, nope. Just locally, cops seem to have a fascination for my cars. It's not just this one, I've owned over 50 various cars over the last 15 years, most of which have had the same issues, hence I keep them such short periods. I've had every model of Ferrari since 348 barring the F12 and FF (so far), and it can be said that the astons attract very little attention, same as maseratis really, while the ferraris attract the most, probably as lots have the opinion demonstrated by the last poster about big willies. Much as I'd love to have a smaller one like him, it's more than large enough that the 458 is left purely as a driving tool, and performs no other psychological crutch! Hahahaha
You've got an awesome car and it's great you enjoy it. I drive a competitor's equivalent of your Merc, and on the public roads it takes little effort for me to get to the stage where I am thinking, "If there's a motorcyclist straying over the white line, if someone arrives at that junction too quickly". Perhaps it's easier to see when seeing the effects of mistakes and advanced driving course where 'observations, observations and more observations', are king. I can't imagine how quick it'd take me to arrive at the same thoughts in the Ferrari you own. I assume it does 0-100 in less than 8 seconds. There are few roads (excluding boring motorways etc) where I could get to 100 and not be concerned there's something I've not planned / accounted for. I see people make bad driving errors when they have ages to make decisions because they have sirens and blue lights warning them of a vehicle approaching at speed.
Remember, you've come into the SP&L forums, posted on a technical legal topic and wrote a fair few legally questionable things, including implying committing what a court would view as a serious offence. Are some of the responses that much of a surprise consider those things?
Challenging those things isn't incomparable with liking cars.
You also need to remember there'll be a few contributors in here who've seen the carnage of when it goes wrong and had to give death warnings i.e. go to someone's house and tell a family their son / daughter / dad / mum etc is dead. That's not to be melodramatic. Driving fast and being safe are perfectly compatible, but collisions at speed (even if not the speeder's mistake) increase the chances of serious injury and death.
Remember, you've come into the SP&L forums, posted on a technical legal topic and wrote a fair few legally questionable things, including implying committing what a court would view as a serious offence. Are some of the responses that much of a surprise consider those things?
Challenging those things isn't incomparable with liking cars.
You also need to remember there'll be a few contributors in here who've seen the carnage of when it goes wrong and had to give death warnings i.e. go to someone's house and tell a family their son / daughter / dad / mum etc is dead. That's not to be melodramatic. Driving fast and being safe are perfectly compatible, but collisions at speed (even if not the speeder's mistake) increase the chances of serious injury and death.
La Liga, I was not posting as a dictator, I was expressing my own thoughts and experiences, end of. I havent had a crash since 1987, aged 17, on a motorbike, which was caused by an HGV taking liberties over his use of my lane simultaneously with his own, unless you count crashes on a racetrack which you have to expect in the course of it. With the correct training, licensing and actual concentration when driving, it is clear you can take account of most things, and even anticipate when it is best to back off a bit and stay safe, which I do. I have never had a drink before driving anything, I will not answer the phone or read/send a text when driving, and do not encourage any misbehaviour in the car when I am driving, save a little conversation IF it's safe.
Everyone has their own skill level when driving, and some will be able to drive safely at speeds above the level I feel comfortable with, some less so, and the cars driven make a big difference too given tech and or equipment on board, and we should all be concentrating on doing our own best job, rather than worrying about the chap who's quicker or slower than us. When I'm out and about, if you are too slow, I don't make a fuss, I safely overtake you, and if I'm slow for a reason, I stay out the way of those more urgent than myself. We should not be pigeonholed as fast drivers being: unsafe/anti-social/bastardised/the subject of jealous dangerous manoeuvres/or intense police attention. Similarly, just because I've kept a clean licence shows that although I'm quick, and I get the cops sometimes pulling me with good reason, the outcome for me is promising, maybe as some realise I'm safe as well, whereas some of the slow moving roadblocks out there are unsafe as they cause road rage and normally sensible people to have to take extreme measures to get by
Everyone has their own skill level when driving, and some will be able to drive safely at speeds above the level I feel comfortable with, some less so, and the cars driven make a big difference too given tech and or equipment on board, and we should all be concentrating on doing our own best job, rather than worrying about the chap who's quicker or slower than us. When I'm out and about, if you are too slow, I don't make a fuss, I safely overtake you, and if I'm slow for a reason, I stay out the way of those more urgent than myself. We should not be pigeonholed as fast drivers being: unsafe/anti-social/bastardised/the subject of jealous dangerous manoeuvres/or intense police attention. Similarly, just because I've kept a clean licence shows that although I'm quick, and I get the cops sometimes pulling me with good reason, the outcome for me is promising, maybe as some realise I'm safe as well, whereas some of the slow moving roadblocks out there are unsafe as they cause road rage and normally sensible people to have to take extreme measures to get by
daytona355 said:
You know, when I decided to bother with PH, I had assumed the members would be into cars and as a result, that many would enjoy driving, including ways to get the most out of driving them. That speeding tickets were a terrible invention, and that enviro-nutters that try to restrict cars and their use would be reviled.
What I've found here since bothering to post is that rather than have banter, there's quite a movement who, and I'm not sure which yet, either think they are holier than thou, and seek to disparage or debunk anyone who loves using a car for the pleasure of it; or they simply believe they are the gurus of the membership, and that if you don't believe them, or don't agree with them, or have different experiences to them, then you must be wrong, stupid, a kid with a keyboard or worse.
Well chaps, I'm not going to be going anywhere, I'm going to keep making comments in various threads, sometimes they will be meant seriously, sometimes they will be funny, sometimes they will be the opposite of your view. Rest assured, I can always back up what I've said and I won't just make up bs just for you.
Maybe I should be flattered at the attention from those who hate, they seem to enjoy picking at me, and that means I must be making them feel insecure enough to need to try to justify things. I'm a nice chap guys, I like cars, I like beating the system once in a while, and if we met at a car show or something, I could bore you like the next man about cars for hours. Just remember. If you keep picking at me, I may have to post a reply, which you probably won't like either, and it's a never ending circle of BS, all cos you are annoyed/jealous/upset that I drive fast/have a faster or better car/drive a car you hate/can tell anecdotes/got a clean licence etc
Not that I agree with everything you have said throughout this thread but I do agree with the above (in bold). If you actually want some good advice or just want to avoid the self righteous so called driving enthusiasts, I would say its better to join individual forums for individual vehicles that you own. Though what I have learnt is that when it comes to legal matters, don't rely on a forum, do your own research and maybe make some lawyer friends or open and read a book...What I've found here since bothering to post is that rather than have banter, there's quite a movement who, and I'm not sure which yet, either think they are holier than thou, and seek to disparage or debunk anyone who loves using a car for the pleasure of it; or they simply believe they are the gurus of the membership, and that if you don't believe them, or don't agree with them, or have different experiences to them, then you must be wrong, stupid, a kid with a keyboard or worse.
Well chaps, I'm not going to be going anywhere, I'm going to keep making comments in various threads, sometimes they will be meant seriously, sometimes they will be funny, sometimes they will be the opposite of your view. Rest assured, I can always back up what I've said and I won't just make up bs just for you.
Maybe I should be flattered at the attention from those who hate, they seem to enjoy picking at me, and that means I must be making them feel insecure enough to need to try to justify things. I'm a nice chap guys, I like cars, I like beating the system once in a while, and if we met at a car show or something, I could bore you like the next man about cars for hours. Just remember. If you keep picking at me, I may have to post a reply, which you probably won't like either, and it's a never ending circle of BS, all cos you are annoyed/jealous/upset that I drive fast/have a faster or better car/drive a car you hate/can tell anecdotes/got a clean licence etc
Hi Maverick. I do frequent other forums, so i know what you mean. To be honest, I never knew that this thread was only intended for lawyers to reply within, as seemed to have been inferred by some of the replies I had. I must've missed the OPs request for anyone without access to the Bar to keep their opinions to themselves hahahahaha. Maybe there was a rule, and they forgot to post it up. Ah well, thanks for the understanding of part of my post, I'm just glad something I've said makes some sense! Happy trails mate
V8LM said:
daytona355 said:
20 limits are an absolute joke, pointless and just there to cause issues. None of my cars will stick at 20 unless manually held in gear with your foot on the brake. In the fezza, I sit in first and second in ridiculous limits and make sure to give back some pollution. I'm that kind of wally to be fair, I also buy bags when shopping every time, and smile when I throw them in the trash for sticking it to 'the man'
This is BS too, isn't it?1st 3,800rpm
2nd 2,800rpm
3rd 2,100rpm
4th 1,600rpm
Ferrari make fine engines, should idle fine at 1,000 rpm - but don't let the facts stand in the way of a good story. Flat-plane cranks like revs - BUT - 2,000 rpm they will run fine - and certainly no need to ride the brake - unless you forget to take your foot off the accelerator.
I don't think you need to be personal, and unless you have a 458, I won't be taking your advice in anything, least of all driving skills. I'm very happy with the way I drive, and I don't enter 20 zones unless absolutely necessary. My actual point was that 20 zones are a waste of time
Crusade? I don't travel 20 zones enough to care that much, I leave that to the poor sods who commute
I find them tedious, and see no reason to have 20 zones with brakes and drivers being aware of their surroundings, pointless obstructions to traffic flow. I suppose cars such as 2cvs need a run up to reach 20 though, so I imagine that's an ideal operating zone for them? They are ideal city cars, if dated, but proper cars don't need nannying
Oh, and it's 200mph+ if we are being fascecious
I find them tedious, and see no reason to have 20 zones with brakes and drivers being aware of their surroundings, pointless obstructions to traffic flow. I suppose cars such as 2cvs need a run up to reach 20 though, so I imagine that's an ideal operating zone for them? They are ideal city cars, if dated, but proper cars don't need nannying
Oh, and it's 200mph+ if we are being fascecious
Edited by daytona355 on Monday 8th February 10:21
TooMany2cvs said:
daytona355 said:
Just locally, cops seem to have a fascination for my cars.
Have you considered moving?Seriously this is a MOTORING forum. Most of us like cars and in particular high performance cars.
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