NIP - Single witness, no measuring device (Excess of 50MPH)

NIP - Single witness, no measuring device (Excess of 50MPH)

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daytona355

825 posts

198 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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Thanks Bert, you beat me to answering. It's such a shame the laser garage/gate openers have such a negative effect on their surroundings!

The fact is, I don't drive a million miles a year, although I get pulled over by plod probably one in three journeys in the Ferrari, fact is I'm doing just a few thousand miles a year, and the majority of these are familiar routes 'for a spin' where the camera vans don't park. When I do come across them, I tend to be prewarned by my own equipment or waze.

Even in my daily driver C45 AMG, I hardly do many miles. I'm fast, but not prolific in the journeys!

As we all know, stops can happen anywhere, one night, in a journey from chipping Sodbury to Bradley Stoke, which is probably six or seven miles, I got stopped half mile after leaving, then a couple miles down the road, and then entering Bradley Stoke around half mile from my old house, I was convinced the original copper (who had tried to convince me I was speeding despite my waving at him while I crossed a roundabout he was waiting at, and subsequently got so flummoxed by my disinterest in his accusation, but supposed interest in selling him life insurance!) had radioed ahead with my details just to annoy me! The unfortunate thing was, that same night, around the same time and as reported in the news of the time, a young lady was abducted from a nightclub in the same area, and was eventually found murdered. they did catch the scumbag eventually. I seem to remember I had (it was mid 90's) a rather sporty cavalier SRi 130 with a tuning upgrade...... What the hell were we thinking back then!

V8LM

5,166 posts

208 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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vonhosen said:
daytona355 said:
So explain to me, when I get stopped, and get off EVERY time, despite cops being convinced I was speeding, how does that happen if they can just claim I was speeding and get a conviction? There are PH posters on here that know me, and know how often I've gotten away with no problems at all, which couldn't happen unless cops, certainly in this area, were able to convict on a presumption that they can calculate speed when a car is travelling in another direction, or even the same one, without any calibrated or even non-calibrated device. Maybe if you are talking extremes, where a car flashes past so obviously quickly in a 30 limit that it is common sense that it was too fast, but when you are talking 80 or 90 in a 70, or 70/80 in a 60, looking quick can be very subjective depending on the viewpoint, weather, lighting and even the type of car. Why do you think I get pulled so often, it's a Ferrari 458 in black, most cops see it in traffic and spin round to chase me down at times, still get a tug and accused of speeding as soon as the road clears in front of me, despite my waving hello at them to let them know I've seen their less than covert pursuits.

I think it's confidence, when a cop approaches me, I'm not sitting there frightened of them, I'm confident, I'll express my opinion that I was in the clear, whether I was or not, and if they insist on their opinion, I will make sure that I demonstrate I'm not lying down and taking it, much like the muppet who stopped me in the C63 that time. If they don't have the tape, or the laser evidence, or a traffic car with vascar, I won't allow them to force an opinion on me, and therefore presumably they back down on the basis that they lose their confidence. Of course, I'm not saying they don't try to give out their usual lectures to save face, but the fact remains, I have used my tactics to keep a clean licence for over 20 years.

Anyhow, if you want true protection in the event of speeding stops, I can sell licence insurance, which you can get as long as you have eight or less points already/expected on your licence, and if you lose it thru totting up, or a medical condition, you can claim a monthly benefit to cover costs up to £3000 per month (there are levels of cover) to pay for a driver, car, taxis or whatever until you get the licence back! I can also organise laser diffusers which are class one, running them myself proves they negate camera vans and lone wolf coppers on the road and bash simple blinders hands down.
But you don't control their choices, they do.
The fact they don't want to spend the time going to court for a speeding offence doesn't mean that if they choose to spend the time doing it you can't be convicted on that opinion/uncalibrated speedo evidence.
It's their choice.
When I was a Police officer I let far more traffic offences slide (that's a wide gamut of traffic offences, not just speeding), than I reported. That was based on what I considered the best use of my time rather than how confident or not they presented themselves to me.
daytona355: You don't need to see my identification.

Police officer: We don't need to see your identification.

daytona355: I am not the speeder you're looking for.

Police officer: You aren't the speeder we're looking for.

daytona355: I can go about my business.

Police officer: You can go about your business.

daytona355: Move along.

Police officer: Move along... move along.

paintman

7,669 posts

189 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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^^^Very good laugh
Or - in the same spirit as the above - and I'm surprised I missed this, he just made them an offer they couldn't refuse? smile
daytona355 said:
Being Sicilian,

daytona355

825 posts

198 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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Surprisingly, that doesn't work as well here as in Italy or Sicily itself

You guys really are bitter when someone beats the system aren't you...... Phew, I thought it would be thought of as a good thing to be able to deflect tickets like that.. Are you PHers turning pc?

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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daytona355 said:
Thanks Bert, you beat me to answering. It's such a shame the laser garage/gate openers have such a negative effect on their surroundings!
So the 'error' message the operator will receive never gets followed-up as it has with other people who've ended up being prosecuted for such things, such as: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yo... ?

Amazing how you keep weaving through the improbable. Almost as if there's some exaggeration.



daytona355

825 posts

198 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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You hate it don't you, I don't get caught, others do, so I must be lying? As I've explained, I don't do that many miles, and I rarely come across scam vans, so it's rare the machine goes off. When it does, they don't see me driving past them regularly with the same error messages, so they don't get the chance to develop a suspicion about me. If I was a normal chap that had a commute. And every few days/weeks the scam van scumbags were about, maybe they would.

As far as I know, it's not illegal equipment so if they cannot prove its used for other than garage doors/gates, I think it would be difficult to get me. But hey, hasn't come up yet, if it does, we will find out

For now, looks like I will just keep getting your blood pressure up

daytona355

825 posts

198 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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I just read that report, by the way. The equipment I have has a few second warning, then it shuts down, which allows plod to get a reading. Of course, a few seconds, a stamping foot, and ceramic brakes means that when they get the reading, I'd be at or near the speed limit assuming I was for some reason above it at the time, which of course never happens. In that guys case, looks like he had one of those blinder things, and I don't know how they work, but if they don't have the shut off, and thus don't allow any reading, it's hardly surprising they would get suspicious.

The only time mine has been questioned was on a corvette c5 I had in 2001/2, where some Feds set up a speed trap near where I lived. As I came down the road, my equipment went off warning me that a laser was in the area. I slammed the anchors on, and the equipment obviously shut down, they still pulled me over. They told me I was speeding, I asked to see the gun, they showed me it at 31 or something, but commented that they knew I was speeding because of the noise, but I just said something like 'it's a corvette, what do you expect it to sound like, it's a V8'. They commented on their first attempt getting an error, I just didn't bother to comment on that, just said that they clearly did get one. They asked about the unit in the licence plate I had, and I explained about garage door opening, that was that, and basically just got back in and drove away. Never heard anything else

Gues it comes down to luck in the main, and then the lack of miles I drive, which as I said, if I did 6000 a year, I'd be extremely depressed. Most of my miles are not on the usual commuter routes, I only drive for pleasure and basic 'popping to the shops/bank', scamera scumbags rarely pick the routes I travel. That said, one does get on one local road, and I guess I spot it once a month or so, easy to see from a mile away though, and in a dip, so by the time they see me, I'm already on cruise, but if the Mrs is out and knows it's there, I take a different road into town anyway

Tony1963

4,699 posts

161 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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Does anyone else here NOT regard being stopped by the police on one in three journeys as "beating the system"?

My guess is that coppers over a wide area have a certain Ferrari driver tagged as an attention seeking plonker and pull him at will. They're already at work, so really don't care.

V8LM

5,166 posts

208 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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daytona355 said:
You hate it don't you, I don't get caught, others do, so I must be lying? As I've explained, I don't do that many miles, and I rarely come across scam vans, so it's rare the machine goes off. When it does, they don't see me driving past them regularly with the same error messages, so they don't get the chance to develop a suspicion about me. If I was a normal chap that had a commute. And every few days/weeks the scam van scumbags were about, maybe they would.

As far as I know, it's not illegal equipment so if they cannot prove its used for other than garage doors/gates, I think it would be difficult to get me. But hey, hasn't come up yet, if it does, we will find out

For now, looks like I will just keep getting your blood pressure up
Can be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.

daytona355

825 posts

198 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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Not if they get a reading, no ones fault if their equipment suffers a fault and resets itself as an integral part of its programming, getting the reading is what matters

daytona355

825 posts

198 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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Tony1963 said:
Does anyone else here NOT regard being stopped by the police on one in three journeys as "beating the system"?

My guess is that coppers over a wide area have a certain Ferrari driver tagged as an attention seeking plonker and pull him at will. They're already at work, so really don't care.
Exactly, you are absolutely correct, of course they will remember the times they couldn't stick me on, and undoubtedly keep an eye out for me, hence the stops I get. I'm just a lucky sob, and while a plonker, not attention seeking I assure you, otherwise I'd be in it every day driving up and down the high street!

V8LM

5,166 posts

208 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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daytona355 said:
Not if they get a reading, no ones fault if their equipment suffers a fault and resets itself as an integral part of its programming, getting the reading is what matters
But you did stop them getting a reading - the first one.

Ken Figenus

5,678 posts

116 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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daytona355 said:
You hate it don't you, I don't get caught, others do, so I must be lying? As I've explained, I don't do that many miles, and I rarely come across scam vans, so it's rare the machine goes off. When it does, they don't see me driving past them regularly with the same error messages, so they don't get the chance to develop a suspicion about me. If I was a normal chap that had a commute. And every few days/weeks the scam van scumbags were about, maybe they would.

As far as I know, it's not illegal equipment so if they cannot prove its used for other than garage doors/gates, I think it would be difficult to get me. But hey, hasn't come up yet, if it does, we will find out

For now, looks like I will just keep getting your blood pressure up.
You may like to think I have some sort of significant emotional response to your claims, but alas, you're mistaken. It's no more valid than me to claim I'm annoying you by pointing out your legal knowledge is far from sound, but I wouldn't make such an assumption because I recognise doing it would be foolish because I don't know (or care), unlike you.

The offence of excess speed is committed millions of times per day. An absolute fraction of offences are prosecuted. I have no issue with that. If an individual has a long sequence of excess speed offences but isn't caught / prosecuted it doesn't mean anything to me. Lots of people will be the same. Sorry, you're not unique and the only person 'sticking it to the man' in a rather contrived and controlled manner. You don't sound a spring chicken from previous posts, shouldn't you grow up a bit?

You're assumption about frequency is invalid. If the operator forms prior opinion about excess speed and is receiving an error message, then they may well have markers created on the car / suspect it.

daytona355 said:
I just read that report, by the way. The equipment I have has a few second warning, then it shuts down, which allows plod to get a reading. Of course, a few seconds, a stamping foot, and ceramic brakes means that when they get the reading, I'd be at or near the speed limit assuming I was for some reason above it at the time, which of course never happens. In that guys case, looks like he had one of those blinder things, and I don't know how they work, but if they don't have the shut off, and thus don't allow any reading, it's hardly surprising they would get suspicious.
Does it detect or interfere? If the former then it's probably legal, but such equipment is quite flawed (IIRC) with mobile equipment in urban areas given how much 'noise' they pick up.

If it's the latter, which you imply, then it won't engage until a measurement is undertaken - the operator is sending no 'signal' until they press the button. The won't be pressing it until you're in view so you won't be receiving 'a few seconds' notice' and won't have any opportunity to brake in a manner which doesn't sound especially safe on the public roads.

daytona355 said:
Exactly, you are absolutely correct, of course they will remember the times they couldn't stick me on, and undoubtedly keep an eye out for me, hence the stops I get. I'm just a lucky sob, and while a plonker, not attention seeking I assure you, otherwise I'd be in it every day driving up and down the high street!
Yeah you're so important they'll be talking about you every day. I bet they have briefings about you.

Insp: "There's this organised crime group who we need to disrupt who are carrying weapons and regularly doing X, Y and Z."

PC: "Hang on, Sir. There's this chap who drives a little bit silly."

Insp: "Oh, why didn't you say so. Everyone give that your full attention!"

Or it could be reactionary to your manner of driving. I bet you like to create scenarios against single-crewed officers i.e. drive like a bit of a tit thereby 'forcing' the officer (who has to be seen to do something amongst the public) to stop you. Because you have the most superficial knowledge of the law, and know the extra protections of the offence of excess speed, you can be all egotistical, clever and 'confident' to know there's not much they can do.

If they really that bothered they could probably use S.59 PRA legislation combined with PNC markers - especially if multiple stops - but I expect they don't quite view it as the 'game' you do.

Sheepshanks

32,532 posts

118 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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daytona355 said:
The fact is, I don't drive a million miles a year, although I get pulled over by plod probably one in three journeys in the Ferrari,...
That's unlucky - I can barely remember the last time I saw a cop on the road, and I do a lot of miles.


I will say confidence might help though sometimes though - I got stopped the day after I picked up a Merc by a cop going the other way who didn't like me overtaking a line of traffic on a wide road and swerved towards me.

I gave him down the banks for swerving and making a safe overtake dangerous. He backed down completely and I got a "mind how go" and not even a registration (which I was concerned might not show yet) or licence check.


vonhosen

40,200 posts

216 months

_dobbo_

14,327 posts

247 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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Tony1963 said:
Does anyone else here NOT regard being stopped by the police on one in three journeys as "beating the system"?
Well, it's better than one in two I guess? But no, it hardly sounds like winning. If I drove purely for pleasure (as is apparently the case here) and one in three journeys involved a confrontation with the police, I struggle to see how l would find any pleasure in owning my "ferrari"

daytona355

825 posts

198 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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It does detract from it, as I'm not out there like some baseball capped loon trying to excite them, but they do seem to like trying to be the one to catch the fezza. It's a shame, but I do a lot of weddings for clients, proms for their kids, and even a funeral or two, whereby people actually really appreciate the car, rather than some of the numbskulls on the road who brake test, weave and create a fuss when you overtake them

V8LM

5,166 posts

208 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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daytona355 said:
20 limits are an absolute joke, pointless and just there to cause issues. None of my cars will stick at 20 unless manually held in gear with your foot on the brake. In the fezza, I sit in first and second in ridiculous limits and make sure to give back some pollution. I'm that kind of wally to be fair, I also buy bags when shopping every time, and smile when I throw them in the trash for sticking it to 'the man'
This is BS too, isn't it?

daytona355

825 posts

198 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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Not at all, try to do it in anything but first in the fezza and it burps and hops like crazy, and the merc simply won't stay at that level without the brake. Remember, both are performance cars, they aren't designed to stay so low. Still, I rarely come across 20 limits as I try to never enter the city of Bristol if I can help it, bandit country, hahaha