Average Speed Cams - are people really this thick?
Discussion
Rostfritt said:
Negative Creep said:
Having recently had the pleasure of that lovely 50mph zone protecting all those valuable cones on the M3,
They have literally been there forever. Do they appear on ordinance survey maps? FFS, how long does it take to put up a few gantries and signs - but then it took Bracknell Forest BC over 6 months to build a nice new roundabout for the fruitcakes running the asylum on the A3095 - one roundabout FFS! - but then tax-payers fund the fruitcakes, because they don't exactly contribute anything to society whereas the rest of us have no choice!
Surprised they haven't named one of these new "Super-highways" the Brady By-pass - and if you didn't have a pump-action shotgun you might want to by-pass that area! Or better still get a pump-action shotgun!!!
But then Broadmoor rules (it would seem)!
Oh the joys of living in Crapnell Forest..............what a sh*thole!
But at least it is near the M3 average speed limits.........................!
Edited by Mr Tidy on Thursday 11th February 03:54
Are we witnessing cognitive dissonance here?
There appears to be a consensus that all other drivers are "thick" but, if this were the case, these other drivers would surely crash on a daily basis. We therefore ought to witness many crashes every single day as we share our road space with thousands of these "thick" drivers - but we don't.
How many crashes did you personally witness last year (2015)? I don't recall seeing a single one.
How many aftermaths of crashes did you personally witness last year? I remember seeing 3, plus 1 this year.
To stay safe, it may be wise to consider all other road users to be idiots (this is an attitude that certainly aids safety while on a bike, powered or otherwise), the authorities in their mass prosecution system are clearly basing policy on this idea, there are over 1/2 a million injury collisions every year and we certainly see rule-breaking every day, but none of that means that all other drivers are "thick".
Remember that other drivers view each of us as another driver!
There appears to be a consensus that all other drivers are "thick" but, if this were the case, these other drivers would surely crash on a daily basis. We therefore ought to witness many crashes every single day as we share our road space with thousands of these "thick" drivers - but we don't.
How many crashes did you personally witness last year (2015)? I don't recall seeing a single one.
How many aftermaths of crashes did you personally witness last year? I remember seeing 3, plus 1 this year.
To stay safe, it may be wise to consider all other road users to be idiots (this is an attitude that certainly aids safety while on a bike, powered or otherwise), the authorities in their mass prosecution system are clearly basing policy on this idea, there are over 1/2 a million injury collisions every year and we certainly see rule-breaking every day, but none of that means that all other drivers are "thick".
Remember that other drivers view each of us as another driver!
Mr Tidy said:
Rostfritt said:
Negative Creep said:
Having recently had the pleasure of that lovely 50mph zone protecting all those valuable cones on the M3,
They have literally been there forever. Do they appear on ordinance survey maps? FFS, how long does it take to put up a few gantries and signs - but then it took Bracknell Forest BC over 6 months to build a nice new roundabout for the fruitcakes running the asylum on the A3095 - one roundabout FFS! - but then tax-payers fund the fruitcakes, because they don't exactly contribute anything to society whereas the rest of us have no choice!
Surprised they haven't named one of these new "Super-highways" the Brady By-pass - and if you didn't have a pump-action shotgun you might want to by-pass that area! Or better still get a pump-action shotgun!!!
But then Broadmoor rules (it would seem)!
Oh the joys of living in Crapnell Forest..............what a sh*thole!
But at least it is near the M3 average speed limits.........................!
Edited by Mr Tidy on Thursday 11th February 03:54
Just seems to me that more and more people have less than average intelligence as the years go by!
Bert
Bert
Dave Finney said:
Are we witnessing cognitive dissonance here?
There appears to be a consensus that all other drivers are "thick" but, if this were the case, these other drivers would surely crash on a daily basis. We therefore ought to witness many crashes every single day as we share our road space with thousands of these "thick" drivers - but we don't.
How many crashes did you personally witness last year (2015)? I don't recall seeing a single one.
How many aftermaths of crashes did you personally witness last year? I remember seeing 3, plus 1 this year.
To stay safe, it may be wise to consider all other road users to be idiots (this is an attitude that certainly aids safety while on a bike, powered or otherwise), the authorities in their mass prosecution system are clearly basing policy on this idea, there are over 1/2 a million injury collisions every year and we certainly see rule-breaking every day, but none of that means that all other drivers are "thick".
Remember that other drivers view each of us as another driver!
There appears to be a consensus that all other drivers are "thick" but, if this were the case, these other drivers would surely crash on a daily basis. We therefore ought to witness many crashes every single day as we share our road space with thousands of these "thick" drivers - but we don't.
How many crashes did you personally witness last year (2015)? I don't recall seeing a single one.
How many aftermaths of crashes did you personally witness last year? I remember seeing 3, plus 1 this year.
To stay safe, it may be wise to consider all other road users to be idiots (this is an attitude that certainly aids safety while on a bike, powered or otherwise), the authorities in their mass prosecution system are clearly basing policy on this idea, there are over 1/2 a million injury collisions every year and we certainly see rule-breaking every day, but none of that means that all other drivers are "thick".
Remember that other drivers view each of us as another driver!
Vipers said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I've long since realised that if brains were dynamite, most people would struggle to blow their hat off.
Love the quote, 
Joe Grundy said it about son Eddie - probably getting on for 30 years ago
BertBert said:
Just seems to me that more and more people have less than average intelligence as the years go by!
And how does that work? 
There's a theory that people in general are getting cleverer, or at least better educated. I Remember istening to a program a few years back where they were saying that the IQ scale has to be moved to accomodate this and to ensure that 100 emained the average score.
http://dujs.dartmouth.edu/2013/02/is-our-collectiv...
bad company said:
A taxi driver once told me that you could be done by one of these even if you did not exceed the speed limit as they are AVERAGE speed cameras.
Try as Mrs BC and I did we could not get him to understand that it was impossible for an average speed to be any greater than the max speed. We gave up.
Try as Mrs BC and I did we could not get him to understand that it was impossible for an average speed to be any greater than the max speed. We gave up.
You'll never win an argument with a taxi driver.
Devil2575 said:
BertBert said:
Just seems to me that more and more people have less than average intelligence as the years go by!
And how does that work? There's a theory that people in general are getting cleverer, or at least better educated. I Remember istening to a program a few years back where they were saying that the IQ scale has to be moved to accomodate this and to ensure that 100 emained the average score.
http://dujs.dartmouth.edu/2013/02/is-our-collectiv...
We could consider our reality to be an area bounded by a high wall. Everything we know to be true is within the wall and everything yet to be discovered is hidden from us on the other side of the wall.
So what happens when new knowledge is obtained?
Imagine Galileo showing us that the earth is not at the centre of the universe.
It's easy to think that Galileo broke down a section of the wall so that a new area of reality became available to us, thereby expanding our area of knowledge, but this does not seem to be what happens in practice.
What Galileo actually did was to offer us a ladder. We can use the ladder to view the new area of reality and we can then chose to drop over the wall to enter this new reality.
What this means is:
1) we have to be persuaded to take the effort to climb the ladder to look
2) we have to understand the new reality
3) we have to believe that the new reality will offer a benefit over the current reality
And even then:
1) we are often too busy or lazy to climb all the new ladders people present to us
2) new realities are often not easy to understand and take a long time to digest
3) if we do jump into the new reality, we now cannot see our previous reality and we say: "how can others be so stupid?", even though we were once one of them.
When Galileo presented his ladder, the authorities thought that his new reality was so dangerous that they sentenced Galileo to death in order to stop people accessing the ladder. In the end it took decades and an entire new generation for Galileo's new reality to become accepted and we would now ridicule anyone who presented a reality where the earth was back at the centre of the universe!
There is a test that can easily demonstrate which reality we should accept, and it's called an RCT (Randomised Controlled Trial). If road safety interventions were to be deployed within such RCTs, this would prove what effect they are having thereby allowing us to easily climb the ladder, quickly understand the new reality, and confidently enter into it:
http://speedcamerareport.co.uk/02_scientific_trial...
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